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Old 10-30-2008, 11:04 PM   #11
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my brother just bought a nice II-A vest with trauma plate from a gun show for $500. It was new. It will stop many rounds, but is not bulletproof. It does provide extra protection, though.

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You can now get a III-A vest with pockets for IV ceramic trauma plates. The combination of the two will protect you against all small arms rounds, including AP. The IV plate will protect against a 6 round burst of 7.62 NATO with no piercing of the trauma plate. It will also stop 1 shot from a large, high powered sniper rifle like the .300 Win Mag or .338 Lapua Mag.
I wouldn't want to be shot at with a .338 Lapua with a car in front of me. Getting shot with one with a vest/ plate would be like getting punched by God.
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I saw a Kevlar face mask on Ebay for $600.

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I saw a Kevlar face mask on Ebay for $600.
Did you ever buy that bad boy? Was that thread here or over at JF?
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I saw a Kevlar face mask on Ebay for $600.
It may keep you from dying, but your face will come out of the gun fight looking like a jigsaw puzzle...
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I wouldn't want to be shot at with a .338 Lapua with a car in front of me. Getting shot with one with a vest/ plate would be like getting punched by God.
Yeah, no one ever talks about blunt trauma. It's like being hit by a car. It can still kill you.

But no one ever talks about that..........
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http://www.eeel.nist.gov/oles/Publications/NIJ-0108.01.pdf

I happen to know Dr. Frank, and he says that Dragonskin is bull****. The only reason it was ever qualified to begin with was a pay-off which got the standard written down.
It is a severely inferior product.
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if anone thinks ANYTHING IS "Bullet PROOF"- I humbly invite you to the National Training Center- Ft Irwin CA- over to the MI Abrams Main Gun Range- and see just what a DU round goes thru (hills, small mountains, etc) There are many things that are bullet RESISTANT- but NOTHING_ Including a SAFE is bullet proof- if you have a bullet that is hard and fast enough.

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I happen to know Dr. Frank, and he says that Dragonskin is bull****. The only reason it was ever qualified to begin with was a pay-off which got the standard written down.
It is a severely inferior product.
Look man, just go to youtube and watch the ballistics test that was conducted at the Range Pistol Club in Fresno, Ca.
Dragonskin is the best product by far. Anything Level 4 or higher requires a background check in order to purchase. Never heard of that being a requirement for anyone elses product.
I used to work at the Range Pistol Club and I can tell you that everyone involved in the testing have impeccable reputations. They also carry a full Dragonskin product line (google the range pistol club).
I have no idea who Dr. Frank is but if he spoke out against this outstanding product, he is, in my opinion in some liberal politicians back pocket.
Sorry gorknoids!
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I happen to know Dr. Frank, and he says that Dragonskin is bull****. The only reason it was ever qualified to begin with was a pay-off which got the standard written down.
It is a severely inferior product.
And I would LOVE to watch alongside Dr. Frank as INDEPENDANT TESTERS put that inferior plate ceramic crap made by Interceptor in a head to head test with the Dragonskin, without the closed door, secret handshake, payoff under the table horsesh!t that went on in those trials.

Frankly, anyone that has followed the trials from the beginning would be inclined to agree that anyone involved with the "testing" sold out both their "integrity" and their "reputation". Otherwise, they wouldn't have made all the trials closed door, wouldn't have stopped the first trials halfway through and wouldn't have came up with "additional" requirements for future tests that included a length of time within an oil drum that was suspisciously close to the time that the Dragonskin platform was available.

Make it an even testing field and see which platform survives.

If you personally don't like it, that's fine, but get the facts straight before you go running it down in public.

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