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Old 02-10-2011, 12:14 AM   #11
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After owning a Springfield, 2 Kimber's and a Para....

There's nothing wrong with Kimber or Para. Functional, accurate, good machine fit... I could go on forever.

I had issues with my Springer, as have numerous men that I shoot IDPA with. They needed dinked with way too much to make them run reliably. I've never had to tweak a Kimber or my Para for it to run in competition.
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As long as they're using quality metal, it doesn't matter how the frames or slides are formed. Cast, investment cast, forged, machined from solid billet, using the right material for the job is more important.
Couple of broken Para slides - Bob Is The Oil Guy

Check out the pics in the link. I've never seen broken 1911 slides from anyone other than Para.
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Thats it, Im going with Dan Wesson!!!!!! LOL!
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I own a Para GI Expert, their entry level "mil-spec" 1911. I'm totally happy with it. It has been flawless for me.
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I have not heard a thing bad about Para but........I fine it suspicious that the majority of used (Read: trade-in) pistols at Bud's are Para. I wonder why?

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As long as they're using quality metal, it doesn't matter how the frames or slides are formed. Cast, investment cast, forged, machined from solid billet, using the right material for the job is more important.
I'd rethink that statement. It may save you a few fingers or an eye or two. Para USA - 1911 Forum
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Para is the only 1911 manufacturer using cast slides, pretty ridiculous IMO. I'd take a Kimber over a Para any day, I'm not buying their QC as better than Kimber either.

DITTO- I've had both Now I just have the Kimber! Para is a decent weapon until you have to send it back to factory for repair.
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I'd rethink that statement.
Maybe I should clarify things a bit. If the Para's are cracking/breaking slides by the thousands, it's not because they're cast, it's because they're cast with the wrong steel. It doesn't matter what process, if the wrong material is used there will be problems.

I wasn't trying to defend Para with my comment, just defending the casting process and those who cast slides, frames, or any other part, without a problem. However, I can see how it appeared as I was defending Para.
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My Cousin owns a Kimber. The barrel is like a file on the outside and has already chewed into one bushing, they told him that's how they make them and sent him a new bushing for when the one he has is worn out. Honest.
So, I can get a new bushing from them? That's good to know. I have noticed
the machined barrels are rigid and operating the slide against the barrel sounds
a bit like a fat guy running in corduroys.

I have the Custom II and 2 other things I noticed, finish is weak and easily
scratch/worn and I've heard the customer service is the worst, never tried
calling.

I'm completely happy with the weapon as I'm able to shoot the symbols out of
playing cards at 15 yards fresh out of the box. (although my sight was off by
3" to the left!!! - easily fixed)
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So, I can get a new bushing from them? That's good to know. I have noticed the machined barrels are rigid and operating the slide against the barrel sounds a bit like a fat guy running in corduroys.
Any mechanical contraption that has metal to metal contact will require "wearing in" as the surfaces mate together. Keep it clean & lubed and get a couple hundred through it and it will smooth out.

Bushings (and most other small parts) are cheap and easily available from Brownells so you certainly don't have to rely on the manufacturer. I, like most 1911 guys, keep a box of spare parts on hand to avoid the gun being out of service for any amount of time. Be sure to understand that most 1911 parts are not strictly "drop in" and will require some fitting for best performance.

Every one has an opinion of who makes the "best" 1911 but most of the name brand production guns are very similar. I like Springers, some like Kimbers, some like Paras - it's just personal preference and your budget that drives the decision...

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