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Old 04-10-2011, 10:22 PM   #1
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Old 04-10-2011, 10:27 PM   #2
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I was incorrect about the price the other day. It was $579 at my local Ace. I didn't realize it until I had already done the BG check and was checking out. Oh well I still love her, even if she was $100 more than I thought.







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Just like the reviews said it FTFeed about 50% of the time when you load 8 rds in the mag. The problem seems to be that the top two rds tend to splay away from each other as you can see here...


When the bolt face pushes on the top edge of the 1st rd. it tips down (50% of the time) and rams the bullet straight into the frame/feed ramp where there's not enough angle to guide it up to the barrel.

So my question to you guys: Is this a typical feed problem with 1911s (I notice most who preach HP for SD still use FMJ in their 1911s) or just this gun/mag?

It's an ACT mag. is they known for being reliable or crappy? Would a different brand mag. fix this problem? Which one?

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I have a couple ACT mags that were given to me, I haven't had the chance to try them out yet.
The mags I prefer are Chip McCormick 8rd power mags, they work flawlessly in both of my Springfields with both hardball and hollow point.

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Congratulations, that's a good looking pistol.

Try some Tripp Cobra mags. They should do the trick and they cost about the same as Wilson's.

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Nice pistol. Very interesting design on the hammer and I like the lack of markings on the right side of the slide.
It sounds like a mag issue not a gun issue. IMHO, the big three are Tripp Cobra, Wilson Combat ELM Mags, and Chip McCormick Powermags.

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Thanks guys, I'll look into the three brands you mentioned.

Other than the 1st rd. feed problem (which I knew about before purchasing it) I love it. For the price I couldn't beat it for a first 1911, to see what features I actually care about.

Trigger feels great, nice and crisp and measures in right at a 4 lb. pull.

On a related note, don't even bother trying to switch back and forth between a double action LCP and single action 1911 in the same shooting session. It just messes you up with both guns. Once I emptied the LCP and switched back to the 1911 I fired before I was ready (still pointing at target) because I didn't realize how hard I my finger was resting on the trigger while I acquired the target center.

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Never heard of this brand before.

She sure looks good though.

Good luck with the new purchase.

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Just like the reviews said it FTFeed about 50% of the time when you load 8 rds in the mag. The problem seems to be that the top two rds tend to splay away from each other as you can see here...


When the bolt face pushes on the top edge of the 1st rd. it tips down (50% of the time) and rams the bullet straight into the frame/feed ramp where there's not enough angle to guide it up to the barrel.

So my question to you guys: Is this a typical feed problem with 1911s (I notice most who preach HP for SD still use FMJ in their 1911s) or just this gun/mag?

It's an ACT mag. is they known for being reliable or crappy? Would a different brand mag. fix this problem? Which one?
What you are experiencing is a manufacturer trying to make a 7 round mag work as an 8 and doing a PP job. Ever wonder why John Browning designed the 1911 with a 7 round mag? It’s because as a good engineer, he found 7 rounds are all you can fit into the mag tube after you include a follower, floor plate and spring while still having it function. And before you jump up in my face, those hicap plastic fantastic smooth feeders are double stack! (Staggered rounds change the feeding geometry. See what Browning did when asked to design a hi-cap 9MM, the P-35)

Ever wonder why the AR & AK mags are curved?

Geometry. In the case of the .45 ACP; when loaded in a straight mag using the original designed follower/spring configuration, 7 rounds are as many you can get to feed correctly before FTF presents.

When a gun manufacturer looks for places to save money, the magazine is usually the first place he cuts. Think about all the feed issues you have read about. They are more than likely found in the lower cost 1911s and the common response is; “try a different mag.” That's no coincidence, it’s fact. You can pretty much judge the quality of a firearm by the quality of its mag.

When a company produces only magazines like Tripp Research Inc., 100% of its R&D goes into mag development. Virgil Tripp recognized early on that all the pro shooters were using hot rod guns with hot rod magazines. Flawless function was a requirement for the pro circuit and that left the poorly functioning "stock" mags for the rest of us who couldn't afford to have a gunsmith rub on ours.

Virgil saw a market void and filled it with the up-dated (read: modern) Cobra Mag. His price point is the same as the other big mag manufacturers yet his product incorporates all the current high-tech material and processes that just weren't available to Browning.

Its the same reason I went with ISMI recoil springs. Visit their web site and read how the owner, Marc Cosat followed the same path to fill another market void. The music wire firearm springs are getting long in the tooth and Marc brought his expertise to this market and for the same price of the 100+ year old spring design offerings you can get current material and processes in a gun spring.

Want "the" reason why I went with ISMI? In the 1911 recoil spring market every manufacturer recommends a round count that once achieved, triggers a spring replacement. That’s every manufacturer except ISMI. Marc WARRANTS his recoil springs for 12 months. This is from the site;
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12 Month Replacement Warranty extends beyond just materials and workmanship. We even cover failure due to wear.
Regardless of round count, you wear it out, you get a new spring. Check Wolff's recoil spring warranty.

This old man has tried them all. With my background and experience I wouldn't use anything other than Tripp Gen II Cobra Mags and ISMI springs in my carry guns! Don't take my word for it, READ!
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What you are experiencing is a manufacturer trying to make a 7 round mag work as an 8 and doing a PP job. Ever wonder why John Browning designed the 1911 with a 7 round mag? It’s because as a good engineer, he found 7 rounds are all you can fit into the mag tube after you include a follower, floor plate and spring while still having it function.
Thanks for the good info Cane. Let me see if I have this straight. Are the 7 and 8 rd. mags the same dimensions?

I'm going to a USPSA match Sat. (hopefully) and someone has offered to loan me mags. Will they have to be 8 rd. mags or will 7 rds work as well?

One other question, If the mags themselves are the same could you potentially put the Tripps rebuild kit for a 8 rd. mag in a 7 rd. mag and make it a 8 rounder?
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