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Old 07-07-2010, 12:53 AM   #11
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If however you treat your pistols like we all treat our lawnmowers then don’t get a 1911 – use a Glock.
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Valid points JD but any of us with 1911s will admit that they are prone to need a bit of tweaking to run just right. To me that is part of the joy of ownership. My advice to noobs is much the same - get a plastic pistol unless you have the time & patience to make a 1911 sing.
I completely disagree with your premise. If I may use an analogy, gun owners are like music lovers.

There are the “comfortably numb” among us that simply are ignorant of the subtle differences in performance. In music, there are transistor radio listeners (my age tell) and then there are audiophiles requiring premium equipment because they can hear the French Horn in the third row.

I’ll bet you a beer that 50% of glock owners don’t know what trigger take-up is much less that their firearm is a poster child for the term. That same mentality exists with the 1911 owner who says, “My trigger breaks like a glass rod.” They are the ones that think the “break” is tactile rather than timing. The lack of creep (perceptible movement) before the sear breaks keeps the muzzle fixed. I find this clean surprise results in improved accuracy causing a paradigm shift from trigger movement to trigger pressure.

When that shift occurs, you will hear the French Horn!

All 1911 owners are not audiophiles and unlike you and me, take their Harley to the dealership for work rather than tweak on her!
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But when I hear people complain that the platform is "problematic" it kind of sets my hair on end because a lot of time it's the user interface and not the weapon. JD
+1 JD, it’s what I call P.E.B.H.A.G. (Problem Exists Between Holster And Gun)
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"All 1911 owners are not audiophiles and unlike you and me, take their Harley to the dealership for work rather than tweak on her! - CANEBRAKE"


Canebrake and I agree. Of my three S&W (sorry, Canebrake) 1911's, ALL of the work is done by companies like Cylinder and Slide. I don't touch anything other than cleaning the heck out of them. I used to build engines for drag racing, and now work on the Boeing 747 airplane, but I know enough NOT to touch/alter/work on my 1911's.

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I have always found the 1911 platform an interesting and joyful thing to work with. I will tweak, tune, change, file, and hone until I feel I have it "correct". The key to anything (jets, cars, pistols) is to understand how things work together.

Most handgun owners do not want to know sear angles, spring strength, or even how to properly hold a handgun. That it goes "bang" when they pull the trigger is enough.

I will admit that I have made some mistakes (and I have lost matches because of my mistakes), but I've had more than one learning experience.

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To me, a 1911 is a joy unmatched by any uber tactical polymer marvel.

I am an adequate rifleman. I am a fairly good handgun shooter. With a 1911, I am deadly accurate.

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Just say it..1911's are the bestest! So there!

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I'll agree with Larry to this extent for certain: if you are an LE agency, you want a pistol that will tolerate neglect, is harder to shoot negligently (long trigger pull vs. 1911 SA break) and requires little training in the manual of arms. Most LEOs aren't gun people and could care less about the sublties of design excellence. They simply want an appliance as direct in its operation as a refrigerator.

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