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Gloves 06-05-2010 07:23 AM

Impressed with the Kimber Custom II
I went to the range yesterday with my wife, a friend, Kimber Custom II
and 100 rounds of 230 gr FMJs. Before buying a 1911, I have only shot 4
rounds from someone elseís gun.

So the first 100 rounds through my gun went great!

Love the choice I made. I was surprised at the accuracy of the 1911. We
also rented a Glock 17 and my friend picked up his Springfield XD. I was
making some good groups with the 1911. I was disappointed in the
accuracy of the Glock 17 & the Springfield XD. For all the rave in shooting
magazines, the grouping I was able to achieve was twice as large as the
1911 groups.

I have a few questions.

At 7 yards, what is a decent sized grouping and what is an excellent grouping? (some 9mm holes in there) (all .45)
(I didnít use the American Eagle rounds, I used Armscor precision)

Whatís going on here with the tip of my gun? Itís completely covered in
powder. Is this normal?

Does this seem like typical wear pattern?

Couple of random pics of the new ammo I bought:

Pat-inCO 06-05-2010 02:17 PM

Groups: From what I see you are anticipating the recoil and pushing the gun a bit. This is normal as you begin shooting larger calibers. Best way to combat that is
1) Shoot a lot
2) Do quite a bit of dry firing. This exercise is to get the trigger to break - without - the end of the barrel moving. A portion of that exercise is to balance a penny on the end of the slide and practice. If the penny drops before the hammer hits, you are jerking the trigger.
3) Try to have the trigger break (release of the hammer) be a surprise (slow squeeze).
4) Make sure you do not put "too much" finger on the trigger. Many people will put the knuckle on the face of the trigger. This induces a bit of lateral movement in the gun. If you put the pad of the index finger on the trigger (the portion under the finger nail) it is far easier to get a straight rearward pull.

Todd Jarret has a good video on YouTube that explains all of this plus a BUNCH more.
Well worth the time to watch.

Residue on the end of the barrel: Normal. That is nothing but powder residue. The amount will vary with the ammunition manufacturer (some are cleaner burning others are not). Just clean it off after each session and you will have no problems.

Differences in group size: After a good 1911 trigger, any of the striker fired guns will be "less than pleasing". You start to get used to the 1911 trigger and subconsciously expect the trigger to break before it does with the striker fired gun. If you shoot - only - striker fired guns you adjust to their characteristics and your group sizes come back down. ;)

I put together a web page on Shooting a Handgun that includes the Todd Jarret link and some pictures I found/modified that may be of use.

Wear pattern: I think what you are seeing is more powder residue than actual wear. Make sure you - do - put a little oil on the locking lugs. Emphasize - little. If you have the more less standard oil bottle, the drops are HUGE. In that case put a drop or two in a Q-tip and oil the lugs with the Q-tip.

Yes Grasshopper, you are now HOOKED. Your 1911 addiction has started. ;) :D

Gloves 06-06-2010 12:18 AM

I watched the video and checked out the website. All great info.

I think I have a long way to go. I was shooting 7 yards with 4" groups.
I think I need to shoot somewhere around 25 yards with 4" groups (3.5 times further!)

I'll work with the new stances and get down to the range some more.
It's amazing how much more fluid the gun parts feel after 100 rounds.
I have since field stripped and cleaned it.

I thought that dry firing is a bad thing.

Pat-inCO 06-06-2010 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Gloves
I thought that dry firing is a bad thing.

Not really.

I have dry-fired every one of my Kimbers quite a bit and have had no problems.

I got to thinking about it a few years back and decided to get a beater just for dry-firing, "just in case". I've done well over 8,000 with it and - zero - problems.
It did, however, show improvement in the trigger smoothness (something you probably will not need to consider with a Kimber).

danf_fl 06-06-2010 02:30 PM

Work on the basics. Sight alignment, breath control, squeeze the trigger gently, and FOLLOW THROUGH. 4 inches at 25 yards can be done. I have an old Springer that will shoot that when I have not had too much coffee.

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