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Old 08-03-2014, 01:27 AM   #1
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Default I'm reading that 1911s aren't worthy service pistols.

I've read stuff recently, sometimes written by folks who should know better that 1911s are just antique range toys and need to be under glass somewhere. Crap. What bugs me most about this is I would like folks to define a 1911. I have six pistols that are 1911ish but only one that is. My GSG/ Sig .22, not even close. ARMSCOR compact, where is the rest of the gun and the barrel bushing. Delta Elite, closer still but Series 80 and some non spec parts and a double spring 1991A1, closer still but another Series 80 and some plastic where it shouldn't be. S&W 1911, nope. Beavertail, full length guide rod and I haven't even looked at what else. Finally 1917 Black Army 1911 and we have a winner.
My rambling point is if you have an altered gun or MIM parts of a plastic or alloy frame or a double stack mag...or god forbid one of those double barrels abortions it ain't a 1911. I like my big sights and am very comfortable with Series 80 and am not about to strip my guns of their mods but when people have the nerve to run down one of the best pistols ever to fit a hand they ought to know what they are talking about. Not suggesting we all worship at the 1911 altar or even the .45, my personal favorite is and always will be the P35 just much harder to find these days.

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Old 08-03-2014, 01:38 AM   #2
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My ignorance in the differnces stated here is probably THE THING that makes some folks say the things they do, Not knowing the difference. I am NOT a handgunner, but the 1911A1 has been around a long time with some improvements made to the feed, ejection, and trigger function without substancialy changing the look, and safety of the weapon. That tells me if I were to get one in good physical shape, with some tlc and some $ I could have a first rate handgun that should reliably protect me and mine.

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If you name the source, a serious discussion may become possible.

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i certainly don't consider any of mine to be antique range guns by any means. mine are most definitely used for SD purposes. mine are accurate and reliable and i trust them.

unless i'm mistaken, are the Colt 1911 and 1911A1 not the most copied pistol designs ever?

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I have a couple 1911s that have all the forged parts. One was built from the frame up to be used for Service pistol target matches. Do the one big cosmetic thing about it is the target sights which wouldn't stand up to hard use. The pistol has run every type if ammo I've fed it flawlessly, including aggressive hollow points. The frame, slide, barrel, bushing and trigger are very tightly fitted. I doubt it would do well with a lot of dirt exposure. But that is not what I built it for.

My other is a Springfield Armory frame and slide with all the parts selected to be more of a "combat" philosophy in mind. I did actually torture test it alongside my Glock and Beretta. The areas that caused the 1911 to choke were dirt access into the trigger bow, races, and around the hammer and down into the area of the sear. Also dirt between the hammer and rear of the slide can prevent firing. Dirt also made its way in around the grip safety. The Beretta seemed to have dirt and grit shake out easier. The Glock seemed to not allow as much dirt in, and still functioned longer once dirt did get in.

Combat weapons all require maintenance. The 1911 survives harsh conditions. It has some intricacies in its trigger system and that unnecessary grip safety that make it a bit more vulnerable to dirt than some more modern designs. Handguns are secondary weapons, and if maintained, should work fine.

For modern military logistics, the requirement for many 1911 parts to need hand fitting is not as practical as some modern designs which can have replacement parts and modules just dropped in.

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Antique 1911 range toy?

Sure, I've got one of those. I've also got the most recent entry into the .45 arena, one American Rifleman heralded as a 'perfect 10' on a recent cover (and more than a few reviewers and owners tend to agree).

Why would this evolutionary progress be a problem?

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I have seen a fairly new plastic mainspring housing crack.

Also saw a series 80 stick the firing pin fwd (on the last shot in practice).
Later when chambering a round to shoot a stage, it went off (safely pointed downrange).

It was converted to series 70 after that.

My Commander (Series 90) has been flawless. But I swapped out the plastic MS housing for a Pachmayr arched, run a Wilson guidreod and Hogue slabs. Trigger is light, and came that way.
10K+ and zero issues.

Do forget what # my recoil spring is. Heavy one. Proly due for a change. CMC, Wilson and Colt mags............never a problem. I shoot some reloads my dad does, and my carry stuff is 230 SXT
(or whatever the newest version is called).

I have tried the SIG 220 in a couple of versions, don't care for it.

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Ignore them. There is a reason, a hundred years after it's introduction, the 1911 is the most copied pistol in history.

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yep, this guy thinks they suck!

but i don't put much credibility in his opinions anymore. he's an idiot!



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In my opinion, a 1911 still draws more respect and admiration than some polymer job.

If the gun is past its prime, then why is it still the choice of so many in the military?

I don't know your source, but fiction, if repeated enough, becomes the supposed "truth".

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