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Old 11-16-2012, 12:11 AM   #21
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i think that if a person needed or wanted a pistol for using when moose hunting, that there would be much better choices that a 1911 in 45 acp. personally i am thinking a 44 magnum or a 357 magnum would be better suited.
How about a 460 Rowland with a 255gr hard cast? Works for hogs and deer, not sure about Bullwinkle. < NOTE TO ALL!



From Buffalo Bore;

Buffalo Bore - 460 ROWLAND 255 gr. HC-FN



460 ROWLAND 255 gr. HC-FN 1300fps / 957ft. lbs.

Press Release for Buffalo Bore 460 Rowland Ammunition

Again, as a result of popular demand, Buffalo Bore has added a new cartridge to its line—the 460 Rowland.

The 460 Rowland, as we load it, is squarely at mid 44 magnum power levels. This means that a person can now carry a 1911 style combat pistol that has the power of a 44 mag. revolver, but is slimmer, faster to reload, faster to shoot and holds nine rounds instead of a revolver’s six. The 460 Rowland casing is simply a 45 ACP case that has been slightly lengthened so it won’t chamber in a 45 ACP chamber. It also has a stronger web area in the casing, so as to avoid "blow outs".

To acquire 460 Rowland test guns, I sent two of my 1911 45 acp pistols to Clark Custom Guns and had them install their 460 Rowland conversion kits. To date the converted 1911’s work great. I can fire a 255gr. hard cast bullet @ 1300 fps or a 230gr. FMJ-FN bullet @ 1350 fps. What a great "woods" pistol that still maintains combat pistol qualities.

We are using flash suppressed powders in each 460 Rowland load, so that if you have to shoot a bear or “bad guy” in the dark, the muzzle flash will not blind the shooter and we feel this feature is a big tactical advantage as most civilian shootings in America, occur in low light and we are willing to bet that most emergency wildlife shootings in the wilderness will be in low light too.

Note my real world velocities (below) from real world pistols, not laboratory test barrels.


Colt series 70 govt. mod. 5 inch with Clark 460 conversion

a) 1524 fps - 954 ft. lbs. - Item # 35A - 185gr. JHP
b) 1347 fps - 926 ft. lbs. -Item # 35B - 230gr. JHP
c) 1345 fps - 924 ft. lbs. - Item # 35C - 230gr. FMJ-FN
d) 1300 fps - 957 ft. lbs. - Item # 35D - 255gr. HC-FN



Colt 2009 circa Gold Cup govt. Mod. 5 inch with Clark 460 conversion

a) 1527 fps - 958 ft. lbs. - Item # 35A - 185gr. JHP
b) 1351 fps - 932 ft. lbs. - Item # 35B - 230gr. JHP
c) 1353 fps - 935 ft. lbs. - Item # 35C - 230gr. FMJ-FN
d) 1298 fps - 954 ft. lbs. - Item # 35D - 255gr. HC-FN
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If you ever face up to a full grown bull moose and you want to shoot it with a 1911 pistol. I hope you had your will drawn up before you left home. My personal defence for moose or bear is the .45 Magnum. The good news is I have avoided a one on one with a moose.

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The 45 ACP is totally inadequate as a hunting weapon. It lacks the range and power for any big game animal. But if you are intent on shooting a moose with a 45 acp please send me a message. I want to film this moose that is going to grind you into hamburger meat. The lowest caliber anything you want for animals that are dangerous is a 30/06.

I see we have crew delusional at it again in this thread. I don't care if you had your 1911 converted to 50 BMG it is still a piss poor platform for dangerous animals. When you want to test that 460 rowland on a dangerous animal I want to send a film crew with you. That footage of animals ripping people to shreds is hard to get.

If it takes a 6.5" barrel for a 357 mag to properly use the gasses created by it's propellants it stands to reason a 460 Rowland would need just as much barrel, if not more. This simple fact of physics is why Ruger sells more 7.5" 44 mag Super Blackhawks that it's shorter barrel brother.

A friend let me shoot his 460 S&W. While it is an impressive weapon and a ton of fun to shoot once you get used to it. It's not my first choice for shooting any dangerous critter. It's accurate and capable but I am not one to handicap myself when dealing with something dangerous. God gave us rifles for a reason. One of those reasons is to deal with dangerous critters.

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The 45 ACP is totally inadequate as a hunting weapon. It lacks the range and power for any big game animal. But if you are intent on shooting a moose with a 45 acp please send me a message. I want to film this moose that is going to grind you into hamburger meat. The lowest caliber anything you want for animals that are dangerous is a 30/06.

I see we have crew delusional at it again in this thread. I don't care if you had your 1911 converted to 50 BMG it is still a piss poor platform for dangerous animals. When you want to test that 460 rowland on a dangerous animal I want to send a film crew with you. That footage of animals ripping people to shreds is hard to get.

If it takes a 6.5" barrel for a 357 mag to properly use the gasses created by it's propellants it stands to reason a 460 Rowland would need just as much barrel, if not more. This simple fact of physics is why Ruger sells more 7.5" 44 mag Super Blackhawks that it's shorter barrel brother.

A friend let me shoot his 460 S&W. While it is an impressive weapon and a ton of fun to shoot once you get used to it. It's not my first choice for shooting any dangerous critter. It's accurate and capable but I am not one to handicap myself when dealing with something dangerous. God gave us rifles for a reason. One of those reasons is to deal with dangerous critters.
I could easily kill large game with my 10mm.

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You can easly kill big game with your pistol. You must be joking.

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People were advising me not to elk hunt with my 7 1/2 in 44 mag. Moose with a .45? I'm not going there!

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Not to say it can't be done. It probably can.

Look at it this way- if the 1911A1 were the

do-all-be-all firearm, there would be no rifles,

anymore. They have their place, and they are a great gun,

when used within their specific design capacity, but, like all

firearms, they have their limits.

Believe it or not, JMB designed the 1911 around the 45ACP,

whose sole purpose was a stout close-in defense against

enemy soldiers and guerillas.

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Know here in Florida where the big game only gets so big my 1911 can bring down pretty much whatever I decide to shoot with no issues. Me and a couple of my friends plan on going moose hunting on some property in main some time soon. I was wondering if anyone has input as to wether a .45acp could bring one down?
First, having grown up in Maine, I can say you don't just "go Moose hunting". To even get a permit is a big deal, it is a lottery system and they only 3903 permits were issues last year and of those only 10% are set aside for non-residents ( a non-res permit costs over $500). I've known people who have waited 20 years for a permit. So the chance for to even get a permit is very small. As a non-res you can be a subpermitee holder for either a resident or non-res. As far as using a pistol, please be realistic and use some common sense. Here is the regs off of the Maine.gov site
"Legal Methods for Taking Moose

Moose may be hunted with rifle, shotgun, handgun, muzzleloader, or bow and arrow. Shotguns using shot loads and .22 caliber rim fire firearms are prohibited.
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It does not say that pistols are legal, so there for they are not.

If you really are interested in the process go here and read up
http://www.maine.gov/ifw/licenses_permits/lotteries/moose/index.htm
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This whole thread is getting a little silly. Here in Alaska we have some pretty large specimen of Moose, and some are regularly taken by bow and arrow, and I am talking record size. Not from a hundred yards in elevated blinds with 300 Ultra Mags, but at ground level within 15 to 25 yards of underbrush with a fletched shaft tipped with something sharp. It's all about shot placement, isn't it?

Back on page one the OP stated this was for back-up. Okay, I believe that the 1911 is much better back-up than a Bowie knife, or baseball bat. Don't you agree? With good placement one shot will dispatch a rhino, why not a Moose?

Now if it were me, I would carry something with a bit more power, but that's just me.

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I still don't see the reason for a .45 as a back gun while Moose hunting in Maine. A .44 Mag, sure. I lived in Maine for 25 years and hunted every year, I never had a Moose charge and can't recall anyone I know being charged either. If I did get charged, I want to use my rifle. Moose hunting in Maine goes a little like this. Find a spot near a logging road where a Moose is likely to cross and wait. When the Moose is beside the logging road shoot it, field dress and it and haul it out with your 4 wheeler or tuck. The last thing you want is a dead Moose way deep in the woods and no good trail to get it out on. At least that's how we always hunted them.

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