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Old 02-14-2011, 08:34 AM   #21
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In general, target guns are fit to closer tolerances with less "forgiveness" built in. The original GI 1911s (military issue) were built loose but were extremely reliable and could take a beating and still shoot with reasonable accuracy. In man's quest for perfection, like 1 inch groups at 50 yards, the 1911 changed from a good combat weapon to a more finicky target weapon. When it comes to carry, adjustable target sights are not the best as they have sharp edges and tend to snag on holsters and clothing.

Little of what I said applies to the high end semi custom and full custom guns. Yes they are extremely tight with tiny tolerances but they are hand fit by master gunsmiths and perform as they should...

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I target model is fit tighter therefore has less places for dirt to get. So if you are carrying a really tight fit weapon it can get dirt in places that can make it not work properly.Same can be said about leaving it in some nightstand drawer.
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In general, target guns are fit to closer tolerances with less "forgiveness" built in. The original GI 1911s (military issue) were built loose but were extremely reliable and could take a beating and still shoot with reasonable accuracy. In man's quest for perfection, like 1 inch groups at 50 yards, the 1911 changed from a good combat weapon to a more finicky target weapon. When it comes to carry, adjustable target sights are not the best as they have sharp edges and tend to snag on holsters and clothing.

Little of what I said applies to the high end semi custom and full custom guns. Yes they are extremely tight with tiny tolerances but they are hand fit by master gunsmiths and perform as they should...
ah, i see okay. the Loaded might just be my better option then. thanks for the info everyone.
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NGIB, you seem to have a lot of experience with a lot of 1911's. so hopefully you can answer this and anyone else.
PARA PX189SR STD SA 9MM 5IN 10RD SS $924.00 SHIPS FREE

is this another model i should look at? or the loaded a better option? also, does para have a lifetime warranty?

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Looks like a double stack to me but then it says 10 rounds?

This is the gun I was talking about, the Para LTC. It's a single stack, 4.25" bushed barrel - like the Colt Commander. This link is for a black gun but I know they made them in stainless as I had one (in .45)...

Para LTC 1911 9mm New in Box! PCX99R : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com

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I'm thinking it's not a double stack but I can't say 100%. I will say I have not seen a Para I didn't like. Look around auctions and shops and look for used ones. You just don't see them hardly at all. That says to me people keep them. I own two (LTC and P16) that I will not part with. Totally reliable and more accurate than I can shoot them most days. THey are expensive but to me they are worth it.Plus buyAmerican fansmight like them ore now with the plant in Pineville, North Carolina (I think I got that right). One think I've always liked about Para is they all seem top have less felt recoil that you might think they should have. Some say it'stheir spring system but I really se nothng in there that looks different enough to cause his.

They make a LTC in 9mm now too if I remember right.It's the 4.75 Commander length. It's not stainless though. This is my LTC that has done a lot of holster time and had thousands o rounds through it.THis pis is a few months old. I don't have those grips anymore. But the finish is in the same shape.

Bottom line though if you can afford a Para you will not be sorry you got one. At least I never did.

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Useless factoid. Para did not pick the name LTC out of thin air. In military rank, a Navy O-5 is a Commander, in all the other services an O-5 is a Lieutenant Colonel - abbreviated as "LTC". Para wanted to show that this gun is a good clone of a Colt Commander...

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Looks like a double stack to me but then it says 10 rounds?

This is the gun I was talking about, the Para LTC. It's a single stack, 4.25" bushed barrel - like the Colt Commander. This link is for a black gun but I know they made them in stainless as I had one (in .45)...

Para LTC 1911 9mm New in Box! PCX99R : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com
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I'm thinking it's not a double stack but I can't say 100%. I will say I have not seen a Para I didn't like. Look around auctions and shops and look for used ones. You just don't see them hardly at all. That says to me people keep them. I own two (LTC and P16) that I will not part with. Totally reliable and more accurate than I can shoot them most days. THey are expensive but to me they are worth it.Plus buyAmerican fansmight like them ore now with the plant in Pineville, North Carolina (I think I got that right). One think I've always liked about Para is they all seem top have less felt recoil that you might think they should have. Some say it'stheir spring system but I really se nothng in there that looks different enough to cause his.

They make a LTC in 9mm now too if I remember right.It's the 4.75 Commander length. It's not stainless though. This is my LTC that has done a lot of holster time and had thousands o rounds through it.THis pis is a few months old. I don't have those grips anymore. But the finish is in the same shape.

Bottom line though if you can afford a Para you will not be sorry you got one. At least I never did.
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Useless factoid. Para did not pick the name LTC out of thin air. In military rank, a Navy O-5 is a Commander, in all the other services an O-5 is a Lieutenant Colonel - abbreviated as "LTC". Para wanted to show that this gun is a good clone of a Colt Commander...
Fun factoid.

wow, i dont know what to do. i have the money for either one. i love both. decisions decisions.

i just saw that Para does offer lifetime warranties so that's a plus too since Springfield does as well.

though i wouldn't mind the 'hi cap' of the para, do they make hi cap mags for the Loaded? Or are they just extended mags?

The only reason i wasn't too keen on the para ltc is for the fact that it wasn't the full barrel. but it definitely looks great.
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I leave you with this thought. Yup, I've owned a ton of 1911s and if I was buying one in 9mm - I'd get the Springer. No real reason except I've been completely satisfied with every Springer 1911 I've owned...

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I leave you with this thought. Yup, I've owned a ton of 1911s and if I was buying one in 9mm - I'd get the Springer. No real reason except I've been completely satisfied with every Springer 1911 I've owned...
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i think i'll be doing the Springer loaded. I'm sure there will be much more support and information from the internets since it's more common weapon. as well as upgradeables and replacements.

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