Dry Firing - Page 2
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of FirearmsTalk.com!    


Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Handguns > Semi-Auto Handguns > 1911 Forum > Dry Firing

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-08-2011, 06:48 PM   #11
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: kansas city,MO.
Posts: 54
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Take out the recoil spring while racking slide a lot makes it easer and won't hurt a thing.


nightal is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2011, 06:55 PM   #12
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CHLChris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 2,523
Liked 191 Times on 130 Posts
Likes Given: 89

Default

What forces would cause an extractor to be damaged from allowing the slide the "slam" forward? I'm just trying to get a better picture about why stripping a round off the magazine (as opposed to an empty chamber) would make a difference.

When I rack the slide to cock the hammer, I certainly don't just let go and allow it to slam forward. I think I keep my hand on the slide. But I'd like to know exactly what I need to be careful about.

An added question to this thread concerning etiquette of dry firing. If I know that dry firing is fine, and I know how to do it safely for the weapon, should someone ask for permission of the owner before dry firing someone else's gun? Would anyone here be offended if someone correctly dry-fired their 1911 without asking? (Of course while handling the gun with permission)


__________________
.45acp, .40 S&W, 9mm, .38 Spl, .380 acp, 22lr
12 gauge, .223/5.56x45mm, 30-30 Winchester


2 Chron. 7:14 Christians must seek His face
CHLChris is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2011, 07:02 PM   #13
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: I see you, and you will not know when I will strike
Posts: 24,301
Liked 3485 Times on 1612 Posts
Likes Given: 3590

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHLChris View Post
What forces would cause an extractor to be damaged from allowing the slide the "slam" forward? I'm just trying to get a better picture about why stripping a round off the magazine (as opposed to an empty chamber) would make a difference.
You have to understand the mechanics of the extractor. In the closed battery position, the extractor is down and over the rim of the shell, locked in place basically. If you load a round in the chamber and let the slide slam forward, you are forcing the extractor which is in down mode, to ride up over the ridge/rim of the shell and come to rest where it normally should be in that position.

In the case of having just ejected a shell, when the slide strips the shell out of the magazine, the extractor has room to move laterally, as it is required to eject the previous shell, so it is part of normal operation and nothing is being forced.

It all in the design. Battery open and slide back, the extractor is free to eject, and thus move laterly, with it closed, it is SUPPOSED to be firmly in place over the rim of the shell and hold it firmly to get a positive grip upon firing of said weapon.

Make sense?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHLChris View Post
An added question to this thread concerning etiquette of dry firing. If I know that dry firing is fine, and I know how to do it safely for the weapon, should someone ask for permission of the owner before dry firing someone else's gun? Would anyone here be offended if someone correctly dry-fired their 1911 without asking? (Of course while handling the gun with permission)
I always ask permission to try the trigger. Anyone in the know understands what will take place and will understand and usually say sure go ahead. Those that do not will suggest a snap cap first, but they are most definitely not required with the 1911 design.

It's a personal manners/etiquette thing for me. It's there gun, may I try it as intended without shooting it for real?

JD
Dillinger is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2011, 07:09 PM   #14
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
CHLChris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 2,523
Liked 191 Times on 130 Posts
Likes Given: 89

Default

Etiquette is something that must be learned. Some things aren't purely common sense. And some people are so nice they won't tell you when you just violated proper etiquette. I play golf and get a little bugged every now and then when people don't behave appropriately. I never want to be one of THOSE GUYS.

And yes the description of the extractor makes sense. So it sounds like one just needs to help the slide forward, keeping with some support hand pressure on it until it slides all the way forward.

Thank you for being a good teacher, JD!
__________________
.45acp, .40 S&W, 9mm, .38 Spl, .380 acp, 22lr
12 gauge, .223/5.56x45mm, 30-30 Winchester


2 Chron. 7:14 Christians must seek His face
CHLChris is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2011, 07:26 PM   #15
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: I see you, and you will not know when I will strike
Posts: 24,301
Liked 3485 Times on 1612 Posts
Likes Given: 3590

Default

Actually I might have just mislead you in re-reading your response to what I posted...LOL

I was talking about loading a shell in the chamber and letting the slide slam forward over the rim of that shell.

In the case of just letting the slide slam home, there is a mild concern of the same type of damage to the extractor, but MOST of the damage concern is that you have an #16 or #18 pound spring that is compressed and wants to stretch out.

Without the added resistance of stripping a shell from the magazine to SLOW the natural motion of that spring expanding, what you have is your slide just SLAMMING into your frame at full force, which is where damage can occur.

I apologize for the slightly misguided previous statement, I thought you were asking about stripping a round versus loading one in the chamber by hand. *clearly time for some caffeine*

JD
Dillinger is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2011, 07:44 PM   #16
Retired
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
danf_fl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: LA (Lower Alabama),FL
Posts: 10,999
Liked 3397 Times on 1946 Posts
Likes Given: 1466

Default

My concern is the sear and hammer set up when someone lets a slide go without a round in the chamber.

1st, the round acts like a "cushion" as it goes into the chamber, and one should not let the slide slam forward even then. On the first round, gently let slide go forward. One problem that can arise is if firing pin spring is weak, then firing pin may go forward and ignite the primer.

2nd, most people do not hold the trigger when racking the slide. The 1911a1 is set up that when the slide slams forward (when live firing), the trigger is being held to the rear (pulled) position. Some gunsmiths will use the slide slamming as a test on a limited basis, but continued usage can have adverse affects on the sear / hammer engagement.


__________________
Amendment II:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Life Member NRA
Life Member NAHC
Former President of the ECPT (Eifel Combat Pistol Team)
danf_fl is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
Dry Firing XD 40? Dnery XD Forum 16 12-13-2011 03:59 PM
Dry Firing? NymphoGnome Ammunition & Reloading 7 02-23-2010 08:50 PM
Dry firing an XD Motodeficient XD Forum 13 01-07-2010 10:01 AM
CZ-52 firing pin Benning Boy Curio & Relic Discussion 15 06-09-2009 03:26 AM
Dry Firing dyoll 1911 Forum 6 01-10-2009 03:47 PM



Newest Threads

Ria