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melensdad 12-01-2011 08:24 PM

Detonics MTX compact 1911 ~first shooting impressions
 
With the high school fencing season in full swing I've not had time to actually get out and do any shooting over the past month. This morning I figured I'd change my routine. So at 7:30 this morning I gave all the neighbors who were not up and eating their Post Toasties a string of 45acp wake up calls. It was 34 degrees, there was a light fog hanging over the back field, and a heavy frost on the ground, but that was not going to stop my fun.

My biggest concern was the grip texture and if the gun would slip or twist in my hand under the recoil of the shots. Turned out to be a totally unfounded concern. The new MTX is easily the lowest recoiling 1911 that I've ever held, the slightly altered grip angle, combined with the higher grip on the gun because of the relieved area under the trigger guard and the scalloped rear area under the beavertail make for a very secure grip ... even with cold hands ... and all that made the gun every easy to control, with a very light (for a 45acp) recoil and a modest muzzle flip that allowed the front sight to come back down to the target quickly.

I didn't fire the gun rapid fire, but was shooting at a pace that was probably a little faster than 1 shot a second. I was at roughly 25' from the target, standing, and shooting with a pretty relaxed 2 hand hold.

The folks at Detonics changed the grip angle of the 1911 to the same angle that is used on the Browning Hi-Power. But the grip, while it mimics the general silhouette of the BHP feels much more like the more ergonomic grip of the CZ 75. For those who've not shot the CZ 75 pistols, that gun is really just a DA/SA variant of the BHP design, but modernized in several ways. The grip is not as rectangular and blocky as the BHP grip and generally feels better in the hand. This new Detonics MTX takes up the ergonomics another couple of steps. It fills the palm of the hand nicely, the rear of the grip is well rounded, and while it looks bulky its really easy to grasp by folks with most hand sizes because of the relief under the trigger guard. The grip safety is, like original Detonics CombatMaster, deactivated, and that allowed the rear of the grip to be carved out. It makes for a very high hand hold and lowers the bore-axis closer ratio closer to the line of your arm. Your index finger, due to the scalloped rear and undercut trigger guard, is placed directly in line with the gun's trigger.

On my gun the trigger pulls back cleanly for about 1/8th of an inch and then snaps cleanly with virtually zero over-travel.

I have a feeling that this gun (in the full size 5" barrel & 14 round magazine version) will become very popular with the competition shooting crowd. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the SWAT team types adopting this gun.

Easy to shoot quickly and easy to control, my aging eyes, aided by trifocal glasses, had no real problem putting shots on target quickly and accurately.

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Judah_BenHur 12-01-2011 11:35 PM

How can you be shootin' Barney like that? Don't you know he loves you? :D

Looks like a real comfy grip..it's definately different.
Thanks for sharing pics. Good stuff!

melensdad 12-02-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Judah_BenHur (Post 641296)
How can you be shootin' Barney like that? Don't you know he loves you? :D

I believe that I have done this nation a great service :p

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Originally Posted by Judah_BenHur (Post 641296)
Looks like a real comfy grip..it's definately different.
Thanks for sharing pics. Good stuff!

The grip is truly amazing. A real masterpiece of engineering design, 12 rounds of 45acp into a grip that is the same width as a single stack 1911 :D

The picture below, which is simply a screen grab from the Detonics Defense Technologies: Enhancing Combat Precision website, tells part of the story. But the real story comes when you wrap your hands around the grips. We (me and a couple of my guns) were at the local gun friendly cigar lounge last evening and I introduced the Barney-slayer to a group of guys there. One was a South African national who fought in Angola, another a Chicago south sider who fought in the 1st Iraq invasion, another a 20-something kid who teaches Boy Scouts shooting skills at the public range, another a 20-something vet who was a weapons instructor in the Army and is an active IDPA shooter. Another is a 40ish year old good old boy from the Kentucky hills who grew up knowing guns are tools. . . . the universal appeal of this gun is the FUNCTIONALITY of the weapon. It is THAT much better.

The funny thing was when they picked up a familiar 1911 after holding the Detonics MTX pistol. As good as a 1911 feels in the hand, it all of a sudden feels like a crude club after holding the grip of the MTX. The under-cut below the trigger guard doesn't look like it would be a big deal, but it makes an amazing difference. The relief for the web of your hand that allows you grasp the gun higher up and forced your hand into the same position every time you reach for the gun (similar to a CZ 75 or a Browning HP) is a dramatic improvement. And there are little things that make differences too.

Detonics didn't re-invent the 1911, but they use human factor ergonomics to revolutionize the platform.

EMTchad 12-02-2011 07:21 PM

So they finally make plastic 1911's. I guess nobody can really say much now lol. Looks neat!

melensdad 12-02-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTchad (Post 641897)
So they finally make plastic 1911's. I guess nobody can really say much now lol. Looks neat!

NOPE. Its all metal. No plastic parts. No MIM parts either. Everything is CNC machined from solid stock. The frame and grip are aluminum. The slide is steel.

truevil1313 12-03-2011 11:38 AM

Thanks for the report. Until now, I was completely unaware of this pistol.

EMTchad 12-03-2011 06:50 PM

Holy cow, I thought the frame was polymer. Pretty sweet looking.

melensdad 12-03-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EMTchad (Post 642518)
Holy cow, I thought the frame was polymer. Pretty sweet looking.

Sweet looking and incredibly comfortable to hold. The grip shape almost swollows your hand because it's so ergonomicly designed and the shape, plus the increased angle of the grip both work together to dramatically reduce felt recoil. The result is a very easy to control 45acp that is fast to follow up and comfortable to shoot.

The aluminum grip and frame (they are 2 different parts) are only possible to shape because they are CNC milled on a 9(?) axis machine. The fact that the compact grip can be swapped for a full size grip is a bonus.


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