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sickcobra08 01-13-2013 05:22 AM

Compensators? Mags?
 
I recently bought a desert eagle 1911c I was wanting to buy a good compensator and mags at a decent price. Does anyone know where I can buy one?

Axxe55 01-13-2013 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sickcobra08 (Post 1091512)
I recently bought a desert eagle 1911c I was wanting to buy a good compensator and mags at a decent price. Does anyone know where I can buy one?

mags, plenty of good ones available. i personally like the Wilson Combat and the Chip McCormack mags. Canebrake our resident 1911 guru swears by and recommends the Tripp Research mags and many who use them say they are one of the best there is.

the compensator. why do you feel the need for a compensator on a 1911? many of us feel they are useless acessory for most purposes on a 1911.

danf_fl 01-13-2013 11:18 AM

I hate to give "It Depends" answers.

Axxe is correct about comps on some 1911's. The .45 ACP does not generate enough to make a comp effective. The .38 Super, the 9mm, the 10mm and .40S&W calibers may.

I shoot the .38 Super and the 10mm (without comp) and have no problems with the recoil and getting back on target. The .45ACPs I've shot with comps still had a comparable recoil to the uncomp-ed.

In a defensive mode, the comp shoots flames up into the sight radius more than uncomp-ed.

Finding good carry holster for a comp-ed full size 1911 is not one of those WallyWorld, stroll down the aisle things. Most holsters for a comp-ed 1911 are designed for competition and are not practical in the everyday carry.

This is my opinion, and I do have a few years in the competition circles.

HOSSFLY 01-13-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by axxe55 (Post 1091540)
mags, plenty of good ones available. i personally like the Wilson Combat and the Chip McCormack mags. Canebrake our resident 1911 guru swears by and recommends the Tripp Research mags and many who use them say they are one of the best there is.

the compensator. why do you feel the need for a compensator on a 1911? many of us feel they are useless acessory for most purposes on a 1911.

Once again I agree with my friend :)
I tryed one because i simply wanted to see if it held any benifits at all- USELESS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...2000/45382.jpg

bartwatkins 01-13-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HOSSFLY

Once again I agree with my friend :)
I tryed one because i simply wanted to see if it held any benifits at all- USELESS

Wow...
Nice looking piece Hoss!!!!!
I also had one in the early days of owning my Springer. I did nothing as far as I could tell. Eventually gave it away.

HOSSFLY 01-13-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bartwatkins (Post 1091769)
Wow...
Nice looking piece Hoss!!!!!
I also had one in the early days of owning my Springer. I did nothing as far as I could tell. Eventually gave it away.

Thanks-
It looked kinda cool but just added weight & length :(

CubDriver451 01-13-2013 02:29 PM

The various advice on mags given by other posters is good stuff, in my experience. The advice and experiences on comps, not quite so much.

Comps can be quite effective, even on the low pressure .45 ACP. However, a well designed comp is required. This means, forget about the bushing comps. They are indeed useless, regardless of caliber. All they do is put a bit more weight out front.

In contrast, a well designed thread on compensator works quite well. This is because of the difference in mechanical design. The very nature of a bushing comp is what kills the effectiveness of it. Because the barrel must be able to pass through the bushing comp, there is no effective baffling to strip away and redirect the gasses created by the powder charge. There is simply too much clearance between the bullet and the baffles.

Compare this to a thread on comp and you will see that the hole through the baffles is only slightly larger than bullet diameter. This is a big factor in making a comp work. Baffle and exhaust port design make all the difference. Another factor that can make the comp work better is the load that you shoot through it. Light weight bullets and high pressures (within safe margins) work best. In a .45, run a 185 grain bullet and drive it hard with the slowest burning powders suitable, and you will see a very noticeable difference.

Also keep in mind that a comp doesn't reduce actual recoil. It simply redirects it and changes how it is felt. Comps reduce "muzzle flip" more than anything. They cause the gun to recoil more in a straight back motion, rather than a rising arc. Load tuning can adjust the "feel" of the recoil further. As with many other things in life, you get what you pay for. Cheap bushing comps are not near as effective as a well made thread on. Another option is porting such as "Magna-port", or ported barrels such as the Shcuemann Hybrid barrels.

JW

HOSSFLY 01-13-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CubDriver451 (Post 1091807)
The various advice on mags given by other posters is good stuff, in my experience. The advice and experiences on comps, not quite so much.

Comps can be quite effective, even on the low pressure .45 ACP. However, a well designed comp is required. This means, forget about the bushing comps. They are indeed useless, regardless of caliber. All they do is put a bit more weight out front.

In contrast, a well designed thread on compensator works quite well. This is because of the difference in mechanical design. The very nature of a bushing comp is what kills the effectiveness of it. Because the barrel must be able to pass through the bushing comp, there is no effective baffling to strip away and redirect the gasses created by the powder charge. There is simply too much clearance between the bullet and the baffles.

Compare this to a thread on comp and you will see that the hole through the baffles is only slightly larger than bullet diameter. This is a big factor in making a comp work. Baffle and exhaust port design make all the difference. Another factor that can make the comp work better is the load that you shoot through it. Light weight bullets and high pressures (within safe margins) work best. In a .45, run a 185 grain bullet and drive it hard with the slowest burning powders suitable, and you will see a very noticeable difference.

Also keep in mind that a comp doesn't reduce actual recoil. It simply redirects it and changes how it is felt. Comps reduce "muzzle flip" more than anything. They cause the gun to recoil more in a straight back motion, rather than a rising arc. Load tuning can adjust the "feel" of the recoil further. As with many other things in life, you get what you pay for. Cheap bushing comps are not near as effective as a well made thread on. Another option is porting such as "Magna-port", or ported barrels such as the Shcuemann Hybrid barrels.

JW

You're speaking of a "real" expansion chamber compensator -
Doubt the OP was but ----------------

CubDriver451 01-13-2013 03:12 PM

That was the distinction I was trying to make. Unfortunately, too many shooters do not understand this distinction. They look in the latest Brownell's catelog, see the bushing comps, and don't know any better than to try one. This is a subject that is not well understood by people until they have experienced it, or gotten good advice from a gunsmith with a background in this type of equipment.

JW

HOSSFLY 01-13-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CubDriver451 (Post 1091858)
That was the distinction I was trying to make. Unfortunately, too many shooters do not understand this distinction. They look in the latest Brownell's catelog, see the bushing comps, and don't know any better than to try one. This is a subject that is not well understood by people until they have experienced it, or gotten good advice from a gunsmith with a background in this type of equipment.

JW

That we can agree on :)


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