Originally Posted by krazykawika
So if we are basing this off "originality" then why wouldn't I just get a Browning seeing how he designed the original 1911 or go with the high power as it being his last? I know Colt's are good and every one likes them because they're an old company that has contributed more than their fare share to the fire arm community.....But, with modern technologies and advancements in fire arms I would like to go off more than the fact it was in two wars.
Not sure I follow the logic of you going with the Browning (sic) [Hi Power?] over the Colt 1911. Two completely different function/pattern pistols.
Understand that both pistols were a product of the brilliance and vision of John Moses Browning but the design of both were based on the requirements presented by government procurement, 1911 - US Army and the BHP - French military requirement.
I also do not understand your reference of going with the BHP because it was his last
? Are you inferring that work product of an inventor improves with their aggregate? This may be true in spontaneous creation with the addition of experience but not axiomatically in the creation by specification.
Here's a quote Dillinger (a good friend and fellow JMB disciple) posted two years ago:
Okay, here are what we like to call "FACTS" about the Hi Power design and how it came to be.
Browning accepted a contract from the French government to produce a new pistol to their standards. Not the least of which had restrictions on caliber size and efficiency, range, capacity and overall size & weight of the weapon.
Browning produced two designs, both of which he submitted patents for in 1923.
Browning died with no pistol patents in place, or production models underway, on this pistol in 1926.
In 1927 patents were granted and FN gave the designs to a Belgian by the name of Dieudonné Saive.
Saive made modifications to the initial design, including a staggered box magazine and then waited for the Colt patents to expire in 1928, before finishing "his" version of the hi Power and submitting it for final testing.
Essentially, JMB did only the very base design on the Hi Power, and he did so with the restrictions of the Colt owned patents were in place.
The original design released in 1935, hence the P-35, drew heavily from the Colt's Model M1911. In November of 1926, JM Browning passed to final slide stop. In 1928 the Colt patents expired allowing Dieudonné Saive to integrate (copy) many of the Colt's previously patented features into the Grand Rendement design, the Saive-Browning Model of 1928.
By 1934, the Hi-Power design was complete and ready to be produced. It was first adopted by Belgium for military service in 1935 as the Browning P-35. (Yep, the French ordered it and didn't buy. Stunned?
)External Extractor Debate
The original design of the Browning Hi Power had a internal extractor. (Browning/Colt design) It wasn't until the early '60s that the external extractor was incorporated .
In 1962, the design was modified to replace the internal extractor with the external extractor.
And to the red
highlighted section above;
Does Colt's age mean they are still stuck with early 20th century methods and materials? Colt is still alive and well, and in today's business environment you don't stay in business building buggy whips."But, with modern technologies and advancements in fire arms (sic)"
Is this another inference that colt is not using the advancements in technologies available in production and materials? Have you looked at a "new" Colt SAA? That's a very old gun design produced to to today's highest standards.
I find your "old" reference getting old.