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Old 08-29-2012, 10:41 AM   #1
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Hey folks ain't been by in awhile to many jobs and doc bills.
Heres my question , my adopted brother just bought last weekend a gold cup first gen. When we sat down last nightand stripped it down. On the outside it looks to be in 85% condition, but the guide rod the barrel bushing are just beat to crap. He wants to replace them. It shoots fine but what should he do about the parts. Should he replace them and hold on to the old ones or would it be better to send it to colt and let them go through it and replace the parts. If colt does it he has the paperwork from them.
Tge cheaper way would be to get aftermarket and hold on to the original parts. Like i said its a first gen with a serial # 12xxx . Any thiughts from the gurus here on the forum would be great.

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Old 08-29-2012, 01:19 PM   #2
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Really most guide rods and bushings don't require any fitting, so a drop in aftermarket part would be completely fine. If he has the original box, then I'd hang on to the factory parts too. But if he doesn't have the box, there's not going to be much more value in keeping the old parts.

You might be able to call Colt and buy the factory parts from them if you want to keep the gun all original.

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Thats kinda what i was wondering if he could buy the parts from colt. He has everything for the gun, box, manual all original paperwork. The barrel bushing thats in the gun you can tell someone has done some grinding and file work on which i dont understand. The guide rod is just beat to crap, which u might expect from a 1911 made in 1970. We have shot it , the main spring is new from what i can tell and is heavier than any spring i have dealt with in any other 1911.

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I'd give Colt a call and tell them what you've got and that you'd like to buy factory replacement parts. It's worth a shot since he's got everything else with the gun. If that doesn't work, an aftermarket guide rod wouldn't really hurt the value of the gun. You could probably find a good match for the factory bushing too.

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Looks to be built in 1974. (If s/n is 70N12xxx)

This is a Series 70 and should have a collet style bushing and tapered barrel.

See this:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f57/new-combat-commander-colt-70-series-67277/#post869443

Call the folks at Colt and get the correct parts. Be sure to match the recoil spring to the type of load he is using.

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Thanks cane i'll have to go see it again. I wash wondering about the barrel but wasnt sure. I do know that the spring that is in it now is supper stiff you definetly have to really hold onto it to rack the slide.

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Old enough to remember when Gold Cups sold for $125 & Govt Models were priced at $75 in 1961.

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Old enough to remember when Gold Cups sold for $125 & Govt Models were priced at $75 in 1961.
Damn son you must be near my age!
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Thanks cane i'll have to go see it again. I wash wondering about the barrel but wasnt sure. I do know that the spring that is in it now is supper stiff you definetly have to really hold onto it to rack the slide.
Gold Cups are target guns and should be throwin' target rounds at paper.

It should be running a 14 or 15# spring. If you/he is tossin' standard load 230's it may run a 16# but nothing higher than that.

Gold cups are designed for target wadding, not hot loads. (Oh, they can handle the higher pressure loads but why?)
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