[glockman55]

Don't limit yourself to american made only, you'll mss out on some fine guns..

[trip286]

Referring back to Mr wray and his hi standard, I've handled one in a store, and wow, it was nice. The slide felt like it was riding on ball bearings.

[rjgnwdc]

Well I did a lot of looking and for the money either one of these are a quality firearm and a good value for your money the Colt Combat Elite was no higher priced then any of the comparable or equivalent forged 1911's and the Remington R1 Enhanced so far (700rds) has been worth every penny to me and neither are "hard on the eyes"

[Overkill0084]

I think that colt is overpriced.

Like Kimbers aren't??
Springfield has something for most price points.

[JonM]

colt has the fewest mim parts of any of the under 1000$ 1911s. fewer than some of the over 1000$ ones too. most parts are either forged steel or made from barstock. they are made the same way they have always been made since colt started making 1911's.

compair a colt side by side with a kimber or remington or sig and its obvious why they are better. its not the name its the attention to detail.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by JonM

colt has the fewest mim parts of any of the under 1000$ 1911s. fewer than some of the over 1000$ ones too. most parts are either forged steel or made from barstock. they are made the same way they have always been made since colt started making 1911's.

compair a colt side by side with a kimber or remington or sig and its obvious why they are better. its not the name its the attention to detail.

Agreed. Ya my gold cups have been pretty heavily modified but they are still very accurate and well made.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[trip286]

Originally Posted by JonM

compair a colt side by side with a kimber or remington or sig and its obvious why they are better. its not the name its the attention to detail.

That's exactly what I did a couple weeks ago. Your absolutely correct, and I didn't even fire a single shot.

[gollygee]

I've got Colts & a Kimber, but have had no issues & haven't needed their customer service. Just from what I've read, pro & con, Kimber customer service gets mixed reviews. One big complaint is slow service on warranty work. Of course, dealers are telling me anywhere from 6 to 8 months on new pistols, so stands to reason their shop is busy. Another is that they won't even talk to you about feeding issues until you have 500 rounds through it. Many think that isn't right. I have to agree because you shouldn't have to invest in that much ammo to prove a new pistol is broke. I read a comment by a Colt rep. saying "If a Colt doesn't feed properly from day 1, it's broke, send it in". Colt service, as well as quality seemed to falter in the '90s, this admitted by 'dyed in the wool' Colt fans, but they say both has improved in the last 10 years. Something like that is hard to live down.

As far as the name recognition, they were the original & everyone else is a copy. I'm not saying that in a negative way, just as a fact of life & explanation for the value put on Colts, whether it's deserved or not is another question.

[gollygee]

Originally Posted by rjgnwdc

Well I did a lot of looking and for the money either one of these are a quality firearm and a good value for your money the Colt Combat Elite was no higher priced then any of the comparable or equivalent forged 1911's and the Remington R1 Enhanced so far (700rds) has been worth every penny to me and neither are "hard on the eyes"

They ever make a commander size, that is a TRUE commander with 4.25" barrel with a barrel bushing, I will try them.

[97cobra]

Originally Posted by Olympus

If you're looking for a Colt and you want something for strictly target shooting, the Gold Cup is the model you want. Like others have said, you tend to pay a premium for the name "Colt". But that's no different than the fact that you pay significantly less for guns with the "Hi Point", "Raven", "Jimenez", etc. Every name has a reputation attached to it, as well as a premium or discount in terms of price. You pay more for the Colt name because they've made an amazing reputation for producing amazing quality guns for a VERY long period of time.

That being said, are there other companies that haven't been around as long as Colt and can make a comparable quality product? Sure there are. But bring out a vintage 70 Series Colt Gold Cup next to Springfields, Rock Islands, and any other common brands and see which one gets the most attention. Not saying that it's fair or that it's right, but it almost always happens. My old man has a stainless Gold Cup and it's a great gun. I've got several 1911s that were a lot more expensive and a lot better made than the Colt, but nobody ever seems to notice when we show them to a group. People seem to be blinded by the word "Colt" on any gun.

I'm looking for an accurate yet still semi concealable package. Probably officer size or so.