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Old 12-11-2010, 05:55 AM   #1
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While my sister and her boyfriend were shopping for a .22 rifle at our local gun store, I was talking with the other Dealer working at the counter.

I told him I was thinking about getting a .45 ACP and I told him I was leaning more towards a good 1911 but I didn't want to pay too much.

Right away he showed me a 1911 called "American Classic 2"

He explained all the nifty features and specs and then mentioned it was made in the Phillipines.

Hearing "Made in Phillipines" made me shrug, but before I could say anything, he placed the gun in my hand and said "Give it a feel"

It was wonderful, felt great in my hand, but I still wasn't so sure about buying it. I don't like jumping into buying a Gun (especially a 1911) without reading reviews or getting a second opinion from people here on the forums.

So I was just wondering if anyone owned an American Classic 2 or has fired one before?

I tried researching it, but didn't find out much about it, other than I think Bersa makes it (yikes)

any feedback or comments would be great. I decided to get a 1911 as a little Christmas present to myself this year.

This'll be my first 1911.

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Old 12-11-2010, 08:17 AM   #2
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There are (were?) two manufacturer's in the Phil. RIA and SAM. RIA seems to be better than SAM in what parts are used. If you decide to purchase the AC2, The key thing is to keep an eye on parts. Watch for accelerated wear. But for the most part, you should not be disappointed with handgun overall.

I believe Southern Ohio Guns and centerfiresystems also sell them. From what I seen, they are not too bad for the price.

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Remington 1911R1 at Gander Mt $649. Just a thought
Doesn't have all the 'bells and whistles' of a custom. I wanted something more along the traditional lines. It does have a match barrel and a 3.5-5 lb trigger pull to name a few. I have one, been to cold out to take it to the range, but have confidence, based on other user reports, it will shoot ok.
The reason I didn't get a mail order is I wanted to see what I was buying. Remington packaging leaves a lot to be desired. (insufficent packing or padding material around the pistol itself).

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Remington 1911R1 at Gander Mt $649. Just a thought
Remington 1911R1 - Bud's Gun Shop - $580 Delivered

Made in the USA!

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This is just my opinion but, the 1911 is a hand gun with 100 years of successful history behind it. However, not every 1911 manufacturer executes the build of the gun using the same processes and commitment to quality parts.
I enjoy all the 1911's I own but four of them were made here in the good ole USA and there not the cheapest models available.
If I had it to do over again I would start my 1911's out with the Remington shown above or maybe a Springfield Armory because they have a favorable reputation and their customer service groups seem to perform acceptably. In addition you can do a lot of customizing to these guns as well as learn how to work on a gun without worrying about ruining something that may have cost $1,500.
I'm sure you'll enjoy your gun what ever you decide to do and I wish you good luck.
Remember, many good values can be had with a used gun.

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I personally would stay away from one!
There have been some 45s made in the Philippines over the past several years.
They are less than high quality. Most have Mimed Parts (Cast) and as a result softer metal causing wear as stated by one of the other guys in this post. Wait! Save your money my friend and invest in a good quality 45 if you want one. Of course Springfield's XD, Glock and others have good 45s for shooting. The are not 1911 style which I also like. I have a Colt Commander Customized and a Rock River Arms Elite (Which is now called the Pro-Carry)
They are top quality pieces and not inexpensive but it is a lifetime investment if I choose to keep them which I do.
If he offered you that 1911 Philippine 45 ACP New for $350-$450? my suggestion would be to run!

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By the way Canebrake sent the picture of that Remington Model 1911 45ACP. That would be a good way to go for the price. And you know it is not junk!
Not a bad price at all for a nice 45 ACP.

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They are less than high quality. Most have Mimed Parts (Cast) and as a result softer metal causing wear as stated by one of the other guys in this post.
MIM is:
The process involves combining fine metal powders with plastic binders which allow the resulting metal powder and plastic mix to be injected as a liquid into a hollow mold using equipment similar to standard plastic injection molding machines. After the part is cured (or cooled) and de-molded, but before the plastic binding matrix is removed, the part is referred to as a 'green part'. The next step is to remove the plastic binders from between the metal particles with the application of solvents, thermal or BASF's catalytic process. The resulting slightly porous (2-4% "air") metal part is sintered at temperatures great enough to bind the surfaces of the particles to one another, but not enough to melt the metal outright. Densities of 96-98% of that of solid, forged parts are common.
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Is correct exactly my error on using the word cast it is a molded part. And this is the number one question that always comes up when people ask about a high quality 45. Does it have any Mim parts.

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Remington 1911R1 - Bud's Gun Shop - $580 Delivered

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I was looking at a 1911 R1. Beautiful gun, but it doesn't come with alot extra little features. That may be what I end up with though, we'll see what happens.



Thanks for the feedback guys, it helps alot in my decision making. What do you folks think about the Charles Daly 1911?
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