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Old 06-25-2011, 02:55 AM   #11
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458 socom is far superior to 44mag or 460 rowland. I load my socom for hunting using bullets designed specifically for big game rifles they retain weight with proper expansion on even the toughest critters. There is a big performance gap that the 44 and 460 cant compete with when you use quality .458 bullets with the socom.
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I have fired 8 rounds of the 255 hardcast and you can feel the difference between these rounds and standard loads.
You could put Nitro-methane fuel in Mom's car, but it might break it.
Can you feel the action bottoming out? I'd bet it is.

Look, if given the choice of a 1911 Government Model 45 ACP, with a wounded bear on top of me,
Over a rock, with a wounded bear on top of me,
You bet! I'd do whatever I could to use the 45.
But, it wouldn't be my first choice.

My first choice would be to not let the situation get that close. So either make your first shot count, or don't provoke the need.

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I load my socom for hunting using bullets designed specifically for big game rifles they retain weight with proper expansion on even the toughest critters.
I know, off topic, I load mine with hunting rounds too =)
(I have yet to hut with it, or zero it... In good time)
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The question I have is...
My 1911 has a pipe that fits a .451 diameter bullet quite nicely.
So how is it that a .460 diameter bullet can squeeze through the same pipe?
(9/100 larger)

Same question for .357 designed barrel fitting a .38
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It uses .451 bullets. The name appears to be a play off of "why do you carry a .45?? Because they dont make a .46"
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Default According to the locals the ACP is plenty good

I was at a friends last night and got talking with 2 guys that have lived and hunted in Maine and Canada their whole lives. They have killed Bear with rifle, pistols, and bow. They both said that the 45ACP is plenty good enough for Bear hunting.

This will be my first Bear hunting experiense, I'm going to use my 54 caliber Hawken, or BAR 30-06 and take my good o'l 45 along for backup.

The 255grn hot loads do feel like a handful in my pistol, so I will not be shooting very many of them for fear of hurting my gun. Buffalo Bore recommends a heavy spring if your going to shoot more than a box or two.

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A black bear or a hog would not stand up to a few well placed shots from a 45acp shooting hard cast but a 1000lb brown bear is another story. In a bad situation I wouldn't trust my life to anything smaller than a 44 mag with 300+ grain slugs and if I had my choice it would be a big repeating riffle like a lever 45/70.
If I where you I would buy some bear mace if you're concerned about brown bears and don't own a big handgun as riffle seems a little out of place for the event. When we used to camp in Montana my dad kept an 870 loaded with slugs within arms length at camp and carried a 357 loaded with cast on his person while out in about.
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kept an 870 loaded with slugs within arms length
+1!
That's well over 1,00 ft-lbs. Will finish what ever is at the end of tube with one shot.
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I also thought that the manufacturer does not suggest the .460 on a Taurus.
Clark Custom doesnt recommend Taurus to be used with the kits they make, but Johnny Rowland, the inventor of the round, doesnt have a problem wth it when selling his kit off of the 460rowland.com website. Wonder why...
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Not enough gun. Forty-five acp is intended for two-legged predators.
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When looking at hunting rounds i've stopped looking at bore size/fps and grain.
Mostly just looking at ft-lbs. Those .45 ACP +P 255gr rounds claim an amazing
815 ft-lbs out the muzzle!

HOLEY SMOKES! That's a great deal of power for the .45 ACP.

If I had to choose a round, that'll probably stop a bear in 2-3 shots of any
short of decent placement. (i have no experience in this, just guessing if
you get past the thick skin, tough muscle, dense bone and into a vital
organ you're good.)

At 50 yards it still has 675 ft lbs.
(my American Eagle Ammunition 45 ACP 230 Grain rounds have a claim of 369 ft lbs)


So you have nearly twice the muzzle energy of my target ammo at FIFTY-YARDS!

A .357 Mag 180 gr has somewhere around 580 - 600 ft lbs. ...
SO your ammo is 1 & 1/3 harder hitting than a .357 mag!

Da-D*****MN!!! I got to try that out if it doesn't blow my gun into fine shrapnel splinters!


Does everyone believe these numbers? Because if they do I'm buying a
case or two of this hot load, going to blow some S***T Up! I'm not sure
why i bought the .458 Socom if they make this kind of ammo for my 1911.

Am I missing something? On Buffalo Bore's web site, Tim lists his 45 ACP 255gr hard cast +P load at: 925fps, and 484fpe!!!, no where near your listings. Lord knows, I would love to find such an ACP +P 45 load for a 1911, but over 800fpe??? I know I drink alot of kool-aid and other improper, not meant for humans liquids, but I just don't get it!

However, if you meant to refer to his 460 Rowland loads (which ARE NOT .45 ACP +P loads), then you are closer to reality, except: his 255gr ROWLAND load isn't 815fpe, but 957fpe!

Lastly (thank God!) I have always thought the 458 Socom was a RIFLE round, not a handgun round (Oh, wait, am I not on the 1911 forum?).

Does anyone know where I left my kool-aid?
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