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02-28-2010, 01:05 PM | #11 | mmmmm...... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maiden, NC Posts: 9,540 |
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Originally Posted by gadrooning
honestly you don't need hollow points in a .45. I run fmj through mine. You don't need expansion with a bullit that size like you do with other smaller calibers.
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So you don't like making a bigger hole if you can? My HST's expand to .996" (that's the largest I've personally measured)....just saying.
I'm going to support trying some new mags first. I hate to hear you're having some feed issues but take it one step at a time and you'll get it worked out. __________________ If the pain is lacking so is the discipline...
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02-28-2010, 02:27 PM | #12 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341 |
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Originally Posted by gadrooning
honestly you don't need hollow points in a .45. I run fmj through mine. You don't need expansion with a bullit that size like you do with other smaller calibers.
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I would tend to disagree with this.
Averages.
.45 ball 11.2mm
9mm HST 15.8mm with the largest of the test at 19.4mm
.45 HST 19.3mm with the largest of the test at 24.4mm
Yeah, YMMV __________________ "It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who knows great enthusiasm, great devotion, and the triumph of achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails at least fails whilst daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those odd and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. You've never lived until you've almost died. For those who have had to fight for it life has truly a flavour the protected shall never know." |
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02-28-2010, 02:40 PM | #13 | Dead Wolves = Good Wolves Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Rochester WI, Rochester WI Posts: 6,965 |
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Originally Posted by gadrooning
honestly you don't need hollow points in a .45. I run fmj through mine. You don't need expansion with a bullit that size like you do with other smaller calibers.
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i disagree also. while FMJ is my bullet of choice when im out hunting pigs in south texas due to needed extra penetration of pig meat as a backup weapon. hollow points are what i use for home defense.
i use 230grn speer or hydrashok whichever is available when it comes time to rebuy my defense rounds. ( i shoot the old ones atthe begining of each year and buy fresh ones. ) 230grn is 230grn whether it expands or not the extra oomph a HP round can give by making a bigger bleed channel cannot be forsaken worse case you got a .45 hole best case you got a MUCH bigger one. with FMJ you only get .45
my springfield 1911-A1 will chamber everything from full wadcutters to 230grn FMJ i havent found a bullet yet it wont run. |
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02-28-2010, 02:46 PM | #14 | Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 53 |
I was always under the impression you weren't suppose to use fmj to carry although I do wonder when stocking up on ammo do u spend all ur money on defensive or whatever you can get, I would think whatever you can get. |
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02-28-2010, 03:56 PM | #15 | Call Me Doug Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: It's because I actually HAVE those skills! Posts: 21,258 |
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Originally Posted by gunsavy
I was always under the impression you weren't suppose to use fmj to carry although I do wonder when stocking up on ammo do u spend all ur money on defensive or whatever you can get, I would think whatever you can get.
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For practice ammo, I buy whatever is cheap and available.
For my personal defense ammo, I buy several boxes ( 6 to 10 whatever I can find and afford ) from the same lot, same time of manufacture. I shoot 2 or 3 boxes of it for function and reliability, then store the rest in loaded mags in or near the weapon and a box or two in the safe. __________________ "as for my Sword & Spear we will serve the throne, but NEVER that man who sits upon it" - Achilles - Warrior of Warriors
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Dillinger didn't have to let me try Cammenga Mags before I bought them; but he is a man of great character & a man who's word to me now is a good as gold. If he recommends it I know its good stuff.
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02-28-2010, 04:11 PM | #16 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 327 |
Ok obviously putting a big hole is a whole lot of fun. I actually used Cor Bon Dpx solid copper hollow points when I am hunting. Not because of expansion, though I agree it has much better killing power, as much as velocity. I use this because it will shoot a 45 over 1000fps. Now I use a 460 rowland that shoots 45 at 1400fps. This makes a whole lot of sense to me for hunting. However when I am practice or load for defense I use the fmj. Granted your hollowpoints will undoubtalbe will do more damage than your fmj. But this is the whole point. I want to effectivley stop an attacker, though I might kill him in the process. I am not trying flat out kill him. Fmj does plenty of damage because it is a big slow moving bullit. Unlike a 9mm. I would use a hollow point in a 9mm because not only is it a smaller caliber, but it has much higher velocity. If you don't use a hollow point you risk shooting clean threw the attacker and not effectively stopping him. This is not the case of a 45. __________________ wisdom comes with time and time is never ending |
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02-28-2010, 06:32 PM | #17 | Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Olathe, JOCO KS Posts: 1,321 | 
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Originally Posted by gadrooning
Granted your hollowpoints will undoubtalbe will do more damage than your fmj. But this is the whole point. I want to effectivley stop an attacker, though I might kill him in the process. I am not trying flat out kill him. Fmj does plenty of damage because it is a big slow moving bullit. Unlike a 9mm. I would use a hollow point in a 9mm because not only is it a smaller caliber, but it has much higher velocity. If you don't use a hollow point you risk shooting clean threw the attacker and not effectively stopping him. This is not the case of a 45.
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UM, bubba, hold my beer for a sec.
I do plan on killing my attacker if the situation calls for it. Im no blood thirst sociopath, but dead badguy is the end result.
As for HP vs FMJ. how many times have you seen a starndard factory 9mm fmj run through 12" of meat? this isnt going to happen regularly in 9mm, 40, 45.......Maybe 357, 10mm, 44......
Youd be an idiot not to carry a HP load designed for maximum expansion and energy transfer.  __________________ I could make a list of a bunch of guns i have, or "have", or wish I had. Why would one feel compelled to provide that infornation freely? Do you feel the need to show off? Is it some immature game of oneupsmanship?
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03-01-2010, 02:34 PM | #18 | I'm always 10-8 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 150 miles NE of Sloppy Joe's Bar, in the "GunShine" State Posts: 17,399 |
You guy's do understand the OP has a FTF issue, not a why use HP's!
Slow down Buckaroo! Don't start modifying a "new" gun with only 100 rounds down the pipe!
Is your issue FTF while stripping the first round after reload?
If this is the case are you seating the rounds after loading the mag? I tap the back of the mag against my weak side palm after loading to seat the rounds flat and uniform to the mag.
If your issue is FTF with rounds other than the first, be sure you're still slapping the mag but my guess is that you should run several hundred more Hardball through her for some additional break-in.
If it continues to FTF, get yourself a couple of premium mags (Tripp Gen II Cobra are THE best!) and that should clear up your problem. (Or just go out and buy a Colt!) __________________ .
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03-01-2010, 02:51 PM | #19 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 327 |
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Originally Posted by willfully armed
UM, bubba, hold my beer for a sec.
I do plan on killing my attacker if the situation calls for it. Im no blood thirst sociopath, but dead badguy is the end result.
As for HP vs FMJ. how many times have you seen a starndard factory 9mm fmj run through 12" of meat? this isnt going to happen regularly in 9mm, 40, 45.......Maybe 357, 10mm, 44......
Youd be an idiot not to carry a HP load designed for maximum expansion and energy transfer. 
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hate to burst your bubble but a 9mm fmj and a 40 fmj will shoot threw a person and still be lethal. __________________ wisdom comes with time and time is never ending |
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03-01-2010, 02:58 PM | #20 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 327 |
__________________ wisdom comes with time and time is never ending |
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