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Old 10-21-2011, 07:17 PM   #21
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Thanks! One more question, for the spring lb, what is the stock spring rating? (I shoot standard .45 ammo, not +P or any other "hot rounds"
Watch where you empties go.
If they fall at your feet, the # is a little too much.
If they shoot to the next county, the # is a not enough.

You want the empties to land 4-6 feet to the rear and right.
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I believe 16lb is factory
thats correct. ive never had a single problem installing 1911 16# springs. i find them easier than your typical flg guide rod and spring setup you find on DA/striker guns
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I must be missing something about assembly/disassembly. I have never had a problem controlling the spring during either action.
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I must be missing something about assembly/disassembly. I have never had a problem controlling the spring during either action.
Try doing a .40 with a 20# recoil spring.
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Default Inertia and peening

If you ever saw a 1911 fired with high speed Xray photography with those heavy full length guide rods you would not use them with standard power recoil springs. Any of you guys remember high school physics?
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I just bought my first 1911, a Colt 01980XSE. It has the long recoil spring guide rod. Since this is my first 1911, I have nothing to compare it to other than the field strip demos on YouTube. I don't see a material effect on reassembly.

I did read somewhere that the minor additional weight at the end of the gun might help reduce muzzle flip.
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A little more background to my earlier statement. I have been talking with guys who run some serious government security at some of the facilities I work at. They all shoot a lot of ammo yearly. Several have had their 1911s lock up after the recoil had peened the guide rod recoil pad wide enough to wedge it in the frame making the gun inoperable and a bitch to take a part. So we set up a look and see shot with high speed xray. The full length guide rod was bouncing the back end of the frame by about 3/16 of an inch with standard 45 loads and more with +P. Higher energy springs would be the fix here. A Kimber was the source of study for the shot.

One guy has been shooting a Colt series 70 since like dinosaurs were pets or something. Except for springs he claims no trouble since buying it in Marion Ohio in 1974. My opinion as a wannabe engineer slaving for her PhD is that John M. Browning had a lot of intuition and skill building this gun. Leave it at that.
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I've read they'll help reduce muzzle flip also. I've held a FLGR in one hand & a standard one in the other & couldn't feel any significant difference. I've even read where some get them made out of titanium for that reason. I'm sorry, but my glasses have titanium frames because they are lighter than stainless!


My Colt XSE came with a FLGR. After the first tear down, I ordered a standard guide rod.

Remembered something else. I've read they were required to keep high pressure springs from binding up on recoil. Of course, I don't know why the high pressure springs are necessary since the 1911 can be fired, with no damage, without a recoil spring. Just has to be fed & put into battery manually.

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None.

You only need a flg if your using a recoil spring above 20lbs. At that point it helps to keep it from binding. Below that it serves no purpose.
Overall I agree with the above comment.

There are those who would say that the small addition in weight will mitigate some of the felt recoil as well.
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Wow. Lots of info in this thread. Here is another question, though, from a 1911 newbie (but not a handgun newbie).

As to muzzle flip. My daily carry gun is a Springfield XDm-45, which comes with a hollow steel guide rod. Some people have actually filled their XDM guide rods with lead pellets to make them heavier, for the purpose of reducing muzzle flip.

FWIW, I compared the weight of the end of the muzzle on my XDM-45 (4.5 inch barrel) and 01980XSE (5" barrel) both with full magazines, 13 and 8 rounds, respectively, using the bottom rear of the trigger guard as the fulcrum. Both weighed--or "tipped forward" almost exactly 3.5 ounces. A full length guide rod weighs approximately one ounce, so presumably the shorter rod may weigh two-thirds that weight, so how much effect on muzzle flip can a third of an ounce have?

There must be some reason Colt put that long rod in the 01980XSE, though, or why do it--when the shorter guide rod must be cheaper.
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