1911 complete build kit? - Page 2
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of FirearmsTalk.com!    
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Handguns > Semi-Auto Handguns > 1911 Forum > 1911 complete build kit?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-13-2013, 01:23 AM   #11
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
45slinger7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 34
Default

Need some input .. Springfield 1911 gi a1 parkerized ... Can it Handel the 460 rowland kit? Do y'all think its beef up enough for the kit?
45slinger7 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 06:29 AM   #12
Retired
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
danf_fl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: LA (Lower Alabama),FL
Posts: 11,051
Liked 3443 Times on 1971 Posts
Likes Given: 1497

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 45slinger7 View Post
Need some input .. Springfield 1911 gi a1 parkerized ... Can it Handel the 460 rowland kit? Do y'all think its beef up enough for the kit?
It should be able to handle it. Clark's Customs Guns had a list of those 1911s that they would not convert, and I believe that SA was not on the list.
__________________
Amendment II:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Life Member NRA
Life Member NAHC
Former President of the ECPT (Eifel Combat Pistol Team)
danf_fl is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 01:30 PM   #13
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Overkill0084's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Weber County, Utah
Posts: 4,688
Liked 3232 Times on 1621 Posts
Likes Given: 423

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 45slinger7 View Post
Need some input .. Springfield 1911 gi a1 parkerized ... Can it Handel the 460 rowland kit? Do y'all think its beef up enough for the kit?
http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

Quote:
Available for the following government size 1911 style pistols . . .

Springfield Armory
Colt
Colt Gold Cup
Sig Sauer
Smith & Wesson
Norinco
Remington 1911 R1
Para Ordnance GI Expert
Kimber
Quote:
Q: Are there any other guns that you specifically DO NOT recommend for the 460 Rowland?
A: YES! We do not recommend this kit for installation in
  • IAI (Israeli Arms International) - We've found the top lugs in the slides of the Philipines produced 1911s to be soft! We've not tested the Israeli made guns but would recommend extreme caution.
  • Rock Island Armory
  • Auto Ordnance
  • Taurus
  • Llama
  • AMT
  • Charles Daly
  • Essex
  • Remington Rand
  • Any "GI" 1911 (note: Springfield Armory Current Production models excluded)
Looks like a heck of a lot of entertainment for $295.
__________________
Cheers,
Greg
MSgt, USAF, Retired
NRA Life Member

The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see. - Ayn Rand
Overkill0084 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2013, 05:41 AM   #14
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
45slinger7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 34
Default

Guess I shouldn't try it then ... Thanks for the input
45slinger7 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2013, 01:40 PM   #15
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Overkill0084's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Weber County, Utah
Posts: 4,688
Liked 3232 Times on 1621 Posts
Likes Given: 423

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 45slinger7 View Post
Guess I shouldn't try it then ... Thanks for the input
Look again. A modern production Springer GI is fine.

Quote:
Any "GI" 1911 (note: Springfield Armory Current Production models excluded)
Springfield Frames are strong enough. The Springfield GI is just a configuration or style. It's the old GI spec frames, from back when, that are iffy.

If in doubt, call Clark.
__________________
Cheers,
Greg
MSgt, USAF, Retired
NRA Life Member

The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see. - Ayn Rand

Last edited by Overkill0084; 04-14-2013 at 01:45 PM.
Overkill0084 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2013, 11:47 PM   #16
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
45slinger7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 34
Default

Thanks the replies was helpful ... Now another question the guys that did the conversion kit and shot with the 460 rowland .. Was it worth the money to y'all for the kit?
45slinger7 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2014, 04:48 PM   #17
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
robocop10mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Austin,Texas, by God!!
Posts: 10,739
Liked 3358 Times on 1739 Posts
Likes Given: 354

Default

I'm going to revive an old "zombie thread" and re-ask the question. I was given a 1911 frame and slide. It has sights and I have a new GI barrel. I have a few small parts, but would probably be best off getting a "kit".

It appears SARCO has kits in stock for about $135, including the barrel. I see mixed reviews about SARCO parts kits.

Any other suggestions?
__________________
In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball
robocop10mm is offline  
SSGN_Doc Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2014, 06:10 PM   #18
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
SSGN_Doc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 4,686
Liked 2450 Times on 1436 Posts
Likes Given: 559

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robocop10mm View Post
I'm going to revive an old "zombie thread" and re-ask the question. I was given a 1911 frame and slide. It has sights and I have a new GI barrel. I have a few small parts, but would probably be best off getting a "kit".

It appears SARCO has kits in stock for about $135, including the barrel. I see mixed reviews about SARCO parts kits.

Any other suggestions?
A few questions:

What is the make on the slide and frame?

Have they been fitted together? Is the detent pin tube staked to the frame? The ejector installed? Each can require special tools.

What do you want out of the completed project? Just a beater, shooter? A bullseye gun? Carry piece?

The SARCO kits include some spotty parts. Some are oversized, some don't have any extra metal for fitting, some were jacked up cast parts with incomplete machining.

Sometimes the parts will fit together well enough to get basic function, but barrel and slide, link and pin, and barrel and bushing usually need fitting. Do you have the jigs, stones, files and tools to do the fitting?

Add cost of tools and time and it usually makes more sense to invest in parts you actually want.

If you only build one, the tools, individual parts and time usually make it Ecconomically smarter to buy a gun off the shelf.
__________________
That which does not kill you makes you stronger...except submarines, they'll just plain kill you.
SSGN_Doc is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2014, 06:49 PM   #19
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
robocop10mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Austin,Texas, by God!!
Posts: 10,739
Liked 3358 Times on 1739 Posts
Likes Given: 354

Default

I have the skill having attended 4 different armorers schools and life long tinkering. I am familiar with the 1911, having owned a few over the years.

There is no plunger tube and no grip bushings. I have a staking tool for both these parts.

Looking to build a shooter/beater. Brand of the components? No idea, nomarkings. Slide to frame fit is a bit sloppy. I will tighten that up a bit, but I will keep it kind of sloppy as long as it is reliable. I can always tighten up the slide to frame fit, add a longer link and tighter bushing if I choose later.

I understand the SARCO parts are hit or miss. I may solicit small assorted parts from friends who have no need and buy the few I need.
__________________
In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball
robocop10mm is offline  
KG7IL Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2014, 12:45 AM   #20
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
SSGN_Doc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 4,686
Liked 2450 Times on 1436 Posts
Likes Given: 559

Default

Ok. That sounds about right. I bought one of the SARCO kits, just to have parts to get a build up and running, and to then have spare parts if needed. I ended up replacing every part over time. The disconnector was missing from the kit, the main spring housing was not drilled for the retaining pin and the grip safety was also not finish machines and had casting flash on it.

If you've already built or rebuilt 1911s, then you are ahead of the game, but looking back, I'd have been better off skipping the SARCO parts.
__________________
That which does not kill you makes you stronger...except submarines, they'll just plain kill you.
SSGN_Doc is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
First complete AR build... Ironhorse944 AR-15 Discussion 9 04-10-2012 12:07 AM
My first build is complete! ZSF76 AR-15 Discussion 7 03-15-2012 01:10 PM
why build when u can buy complete? Broke124 AR-15 Discussion 6 11-26-2011 11:16 PM
My AR-15 M&P build is complete! synical AR-15 Discussion 10 08-15-2011 12:56 AM
new ar build complete unknownhero82 AR-15 Discussion 12 09-24-2010 05:59 PM



Newest Threads