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Joshua M. Smith 11-25-2008 12:43 AM

1911 Ambi Thumb Safety Run Down For Lefties
 
I've been trying all the ambi thumb safeties I can, trying to find the best one for left handed use (and I have some very exacting, perhaps OCD standards). I've tried several now, and here are my experiences with each:

Mueschke: I've had two of these. They are made by (I believe) the MIM process. They are retained by the Colt method, an extended sear pin. The joints in both examples were sloppy and eventually broke. The sear pin is supposed to be weak as well, and the reason Colt abandoned this method of retention. I'd give this one star out of five.

Kimber: This is a quality thumb safety made via the MIM process. It is retained via a hammer pin. The joint is sloppy and needs to be tightened. The safety works as advertised. However, mine came from the factory a bit rough, and after I stoned it smooth, I noticed the plunger begin to dig into the safety, bringing everything to literal grinding halt. I did not know at the time that MIM can only be case hardened, and I had gone past the hardened part. A bonus is that it will usually drop into guns which are in spec. I'd give it three out of five stars.

Auto Ordnance: Believe it or not, this thing was probably my favorite. It appeared cast. The joint had absolutely no play as the safety was retained on the frame by a #4-40 screw that goes through the shaft. Very clean install. However, this was also its undoing: The design is supposed to be weak (I didn't experience this) and will only fit thinner frames. As well, it was not well finished. It was too tight on my carry gun, and so it went on race gun I had built from spare parts and subsequently traded to a gun shop for a 9mm carbine. But at around $16.00 from Numrich (www.e-gunparts.com) it may be worth a shot if you're looking for something cheap to try. Two out of five stars, due to fit on some guns, and its poor finish.

King's Ambi: According to the factory, this safety is cast and looked it. Retention is via a hammer pin (King's method). The joint is sloppy, but can be tightened. I did run into a few problems though. First, the safety allowed overtravel of the sear. Without going into the workings of the 1911 too awful much, this allowed light strikes on the primer due to things rubbing the hammer and slowing it down. This would be an excellent safety if my gun were equipped with a trigger that has an overtravel stop. I will probably reinstall this one on my 1911 after I acquire an EGW trigger (fitted, but no screw to back out). Additionally, on my RIA, the safety lets the stud rotate too far up, off the contact point of the sear, and there is some sear movement no matter how well fitted. The stud is just not in the same position as every other safety I've tried.

STI/SVI: The STI is retained by the Swenson method; there is a tab which rides under the grip panel. The SVI is retained by a set screw which serves to tighten the joint, but is very expensive (see their homepage for prices and specs). Otherwise, they're identical. My STI safety is machined out of stock, and I've had mine the longest of any of these other safeties, on two different pistols. I can't break it. The joint actually snaps together with an audible click, and though it will ride out a bit, this can be fixed by tightening the groove even further. I ran it for a bit with no support on the right side, then carried it with Pachmayr grips (mushy), and the shaft torqued and sprang back with no complaint - and I really ride safeties hard when shooting. The stud has plenty of material to work with, unlike any other safety I've fitted. In fact, to get it through the frame, I had to take material off the circumference of the stud. When disengaged, the stud serves as a positive stop for the sear/trigger, making it feel almost like a fitted or adjustable trigger. From the safeties I've tried, this one gets four out of five stars: I dislike the Swenson retention style.

Wilson: This is a quality thumb safety. I cannot tell if it is machined or cast; it looks machined. It is retained via a press fit and Swenson method. There is plenty of "meat" to take off for a perfect fit. I did have to make the hole in my Ed Brown grip safety a bit larger as the press fit joint, when joined, rubbed the inside of the grip safety and did not allow it to move freely, even after I polished the thumb safety around the joint. The joint holds very securely, and has no slop. The paddles are the thinnest of the ones I've tested; they would to very well for carry. Engagement and disengagement are very positive. To remove this thumb safety from the pistol after installation, I had to tap lightly on the end of the right side safety lever, in toward the gun. While this didn't hurt the safety, it should be noted that this is how tightly it fits: I could not remove it by sliding a pick under the safety, and using the "floss method" just left me with a bunch of broken string. I'm rating this one 3.5 out of five stars. The only reason I am not giving it four is because of the extra work to the grip safety that had to be done.

Taurus: I traded someone a single sided safety for a Taurus ambi which had been fitted at the factory. The factory didn't do so well; the file mark was sloped, not square, and would push out when the trigger was pulled. I trued it up and it fit fine. The Taurus safety seems to be a knock off of the STI, using a Swenson style retention tab. The difference between this safety and the STI is that the right side paddle is set out just as far as the left side paddle, and is very comfortable for a left hander. If you can get your hands on one of these and you're able to fit it, I'd recommend it. 3.5 out of five stars.

I have not yet tried an Ed Brown, or any other.

If any other lefties wish to do some write ups and add to this thread, please feel free. I'm posting this in the hopes that my time and money will help others who are do not have my penchant for experimentation get a good product which fits them the first time, or at the very least, the second time.

Additions, as I said, are welcome. I'll add more myself if I do any more "playing around."

Josh <><

xd45 11-29-2008 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua M. Smith (Post 52268)
I've been trying all the ambi thumb safeties I can, trying to find the best one for left handed use (and I have some very exacting, perhaps OCD standards). I've tried several now, and here are my experiences with each:

Mueschke: I've had two of these. They are made by (I believe) the MIM process. They are retained by the Colt method, an extended sear pin. The joints in both examples were sloppy and eventually broke. The sear pin is supposed to be weak as well, and the reason Colt abandoned this method of retention. I'd give this one star out of five.

Kimber: This is a quality thumb safety made via the MIM process. It is retained via a hammer pin. The joint is sloppy and needs to be tightened. The safety works as advertised. However, mine came from the factory a bit rough, and after I stoned it smooth, I noticed the plunger begin to dig into the safety, bringing everything to literal grinding halt. I did not know at the time that MIM can only be case hardened, and I had gone past the hardened part. A bonus is that it will usually drop into guns which are in spec. I'd give it three out of five stars.

Auto Ordnance: Believe it or not, this thing was probably my favorite. It appeared cast. The joint had absolutely no play as the safety was retained on the frame by a #4-40 screw that goes through the shaft. Very clean install. However, this was also its undoing: The design is supposed to be weak (I didn't experience this) and will only fit thinner frames. As well, it was not well finished. It was too tight on my carry gun, and so it went on race gun I had built from spare parts and subsequently traded to a gun shop for a 9mm carbine. But at around $16.00 from Numrich (www.e-gunparts.com) it may be worth a shot if you're looking for something cheap to try. Two out of five stars, due to fit on some guns, and its poor finish.

King's Ambi: According to the factory, this safety is cast and looked it. Retention is via a hammer pin (King's method). The joint is sloppy, but can be tightened. I did run into a few problems though. First, the safety allowed overtravel of the sear. Without going into the workings of the 1911 too awful much, this allowed light strikes on the primer due to things rubbing the hammer and slowing it down. This would be an excellent safety if my gun were equipped with a trigger that has an overtravel stop. I will probably reinstall this one on my 1911 after I acquire an EGW trigger (fitted, but no screw to back out). Additionally, on my RIA, the safety lets the stud rotate too far up, off the contact point of the sear, and there is some sear movement no matter how well fitted. The stud is just not in the same position as every other safety I've tried.

STI/SVI: The STI is retained by the Swenson method; there is a tab which rides under the grip panel. The SVI is retained by a set screw which serves to tighten the joint, but is very expensive (see their homepage for prices and specs). Otherwise, they're identical. My STI safety is machined out of stock, and I've had mine the longest of any of these other safeties, on two different pistols. I can't break it. The joint actually snaps together with an audible click, and though it will ride out a bit, this can be fixed by tightening the groove even further. I ran it for a bit with no support on the right side, then carried it with Pachmayr grips (mushy), and the shaft torqued and sprang back with no complaint - and I really ride safeties hard when shooting. The stud has plenty of material to work with, unlike any other safety I've fitted. In fact, to get it through the frame, I had to take material off the circumference of the stud. When disengaged, the stud serves as a positive stop for the sear/trigger, making it feel almost like a fitted or adjustable trigger. From the safeties I've tried, this one gets four out of five stars: I dislike the Swenson retention style.

Wilson: This is a quality thumb safety. I cannot tell if it is machined or cast; it looks machined. It is retained via a press fit and Swenson method. There is plenty of "meat" to take off for a perfect fit. I did have to make the hole in my Ed Brown grip safety a bit larger as the press fit joint, when joined, rubbed the inside of the grip safety and did not allow it to move freely, even after I polished the thumb safety around the joint. The joint holds very securely, and has no slop. The paddles are the thinnest of the ones I've tested; they would to very well for carry. Engagement and disengagement are very positive. To remove this thumb safety from the pistol after installation, I had to tap lightly on the end of the right side safety lever, in toward the gun. While this didn't hurt the safety, it should be noted that this is how tightly it fits: I could not remove it by sliding a pick under the safety, and using the "floss method" just left me with a bunch of broken string. I'm rating this one 3.5 out of five stars. The only reason I am not giving it four is because of the extra work to the grip safety that had to be done.

Taurus: I traded someone a single sided safety for a Taurus ambi which had been fitted at the factory. The factory didn't do so well; the file mark was sloped, not square, and would push out when the trigger was pulled. I trued it up and it fit fine. The Taurus safety seems to be a knock off of the STI, using a Swenson style retention tab. The difference between this safety and the STI is that the right side paddle is set out just as far as the left side paddle, and is very comfortable for a left hander. If you can get your hands on one of these and you're able to fit it, I'd recommend it. 3.5 out of five stars.

I have not yet tried an Ed Brown, or any other.

If any other lefties wish to do some write ups and add to this thread, please feel free. I'm posting this in the hopes that my time and money will help others who are do not have my penchant for experimentation get a good product which fits them the first time, or at the very least, the second time.

Additions, as I said, are welcome. I'll add more myself if I do any more "playing around."

Josh <><

I like Wilson stuff as well as Chip McCormick.I have used both companies to customize my 1911 A1 Springfield...
Steve

Fayettedave 12-02-2008 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua M. Smith (Post 52268)
I've been trying all the ambi thumb safeties I can, trying to find the best one for left handed use (and I have some very exacting, perhaps OCD standards). I've tried several now, and here are my experiences with each:<><

I have replaced the slide stops and thumb safeties on all of my 1911s with Wilson Combat bullet proof pieces....because....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua M. Smith (Post 52268)
Wilson: This is a quality thumb safety. I cannot tell if it is machined or cast; it looks machined.:

...if you read the Wilson Combat web site closely and carefully you will note they state that their bullet proof ambi safties are machined from stainless bar stock.

No disrespect intended, but RTFM - or in this case RTFWS.

Joshua M. Smith 12-02-2008 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fayettedave (Post 53641)
No disrespect intended, but RTFM - or in this case RTFWS.

I don't understand what RTFM or RTFWS mean.

Josh <><

Fayettedave 12-11-2008 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua M. Smith (Post 53695)
I don't understand what RTFM or RTFWS mean.

Josh <><

LOL!

As a wise young man exhorted to me a number of years ago:

RTFM - Read The F***king Manual

...to which I have paraphrased...

RTFWS - Read The F***king Web Site

I didn't get it at first either. ;)


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