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Old 07-10-2013, 11:24 PM   #71
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I don't know, "Doc" tell us all how many fire fights you have been in and how often you have had to discharge your firearm to save your life and that of others.

Do you want to count wartime or just my 2 year stint as a LEO?

You actually think in a real-world firefight a .357 revolver is a good choice?

Do I think a .357 is a good choice? Heck yeah. For quite a few decades police officers depended on them and lived to talk about it. Capacity doesn't have a heck of a lot to do with it if you can shoot straight and plan well. The first person to get a shot on target usually wins.

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a marooon!"

You really need to quit talking to yourself. People are beginning to notice.
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Doc...you are obviously unaware that the world has moved on and any LEO armed with a .357 revolver is at a distinct disadvantage.

Get over yourself.
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Doc...you are obviously unaware that the world has moved on and any LEO armed with a .357 revolver is at a distinct disadvantage.

Get over yourself.
Well, that's your opinion. You're entitled to it, just as I am entitled to mine.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:51 PM   #74
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People making such stupid remarks have ZERO real world experience with a handgun.

I spent the last weekend training to use the M4 Carbine as a close quarter battle weapon with an honest-to-gosh-darn goodness fomer Tier 1 operator and what sidearm was he carrying??
How much "real world" experience with a handgun do you have, sir? Training is NOT real world experience, even if it is with a guy who claims to have been an operator. Have you ever had to shoot a man?

Woah, nice name drop on the M4 Carbine. By the way, are you very SURE it was an M4? Last I checked, those are military issue weapons (LEOs can get them too). Even if the dudes an active duty operator, guess what? He can't just take his issue weapon out of the armory to go train in a non-official capacity with a civilian. If it were a unit endorsed training event, ok. But civilians still wouldn't be present. So, my point is, it was probably an AR15.
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I don't know, "Doc" tell us all how many fire fights you have been in and how often you have had to discharge your firearm to save your life and that of others.

You actually think in a real-world firefight a .357 revolver is a good choice?
Um. That's just plain bigotry, in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with a revolver, period. Why do you think they're a stupid choice? Is it because of their limited capacity? Well if that's the case, do you put single stack 9mms such as the Shield, or pocket .380s in the same boat? Because those guns tend to have extremely similar capacity to what a revolver has. Number of rounds being so similar, I'd rather have the more powerful .357 Magnum over the 9mm (don't even get me started on the .380) any day. I'm not knocking either the 9mm or the .380. Both are adequate rounds for MOST defense situations someone will find themselves in.

In my opinion, the term firefight is misleading. I don't believe a firefight can exist for most civilians. Of course for military and LE, its an ever present danger and possibility. But let's be perfectly honest here: in the vast majority of defensive situations which involve a firearm, no shots are fired. In those rare cases which do involve pulling the trigger, most "firefights" are over in three shots.

Earlier I was not knocking Glocks. I specifically said they are reliable and dependable pistols. I also said I have no desire to own one since there are equally reliable handguns in existence. Now, I realize others were attacking Glocks. To those who don't have anything worthwhile to say, I say just ignore them.

But not those of us who had constructive things to say.

Regarding your comments about revolvers, and "real world experience" (when its very true that the vast majority of people who own guns have never had to, and will never have to, present a gun in self defense, let alone pull the trigger in SD) I'm unfortunately inclined to lump you in with those who have nothing useful to say. I apologize, but that's the conclusion I've drawn.
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The FBI learned the hard way that the agents armed with revolvers were totally out gunned by the guys armed with semi-autos.

That was many years ago.

You should try to keep up.

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The FBI learned the hard way that the agents armed with revolvers were totally out gunned by the guys armed with semi-autos.

That was many years ago.

You should try to keep up.

I'm not talking about law enforcement or military. If you notice in my post, I make a distinction between civilian self defense situations and LE/military. The latter are more likely to face guys who don't back down, and also who use more ammo, whereas civilians are more likely to face some punk who just wants money and is scared ****less. For most civilian applications a revolver is sufficient. This is not true of LE/Military.

So your point about the FBI... Well I fail to see it.
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The FBI learned the hard way that the agents armed with revolvers were totally out gunned by the guys armed with semi-autos.

That was many years ago.

You should try to keep up.

You, sir, are full of ####. The FBI was pinned down by suspects armed with rifles. Do you know what a rifle is? Do we need to find a picture for you? Of the 8 FBI agents on scene 2 of them were armed with shotguns, three of them were armed with S&W Mod 459 9 mm's, and 3 were armed with revolvers.
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Here is a link. Revolvers and shotguns on both sides. Only one suspect had a rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
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Here is a link. Revolvers and shotguns on both sides. Only one suspect had a rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
Don't forget the three FBI 9 mm Smiths.
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Don't forget the three FBI 9 mm Smiths.
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