Originally Posted by Amsdorf
People making such stupid remarks have ZERO real world experience with a handgun.
I spent the last weekend training to use the M4 Carbine as a close quarter battle weapon with an honest-to-gosh-darn goodness fomer Tier 1 operator and what sidearm was he carrying??
How much "real world" experience with a handgun do you have, sir? Training is NOT real world experience, even if it is with a guy who claims to have been an operator. Have you ever had to shoot a man?
Woah, nice name drop on the M4 Carbine. By the way, are you very SURE it was an M4? Last I checked, those are military issue weapons (LEOs can get them too). Even if the dudes an active duty operator, guess what? He can't just take his issue weapon out of the armory to go train in a non-official capacity with a civilian. If it were a unit endorsed training event, ok. But civilians still wouldn't be present. So, my point is, it was probably an AR15.
Originally Posted by Amsdorf
I don't know, "Doc" tell us all how many fire fights you have been in and how often you have had to discharge your firearm to save your life and that of others.
You actually think in a real-world firefight a .357 revolver is a good choice?
Um. That's just plain bigotry, in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with a revolver, period. Why do you think they're a stupid choice? Is it because of their limited capacity? Well if that's the case, do you put single stack 9mms such as the Shield, or pocket .380s in the same boat? Because those guns tend to have extremely similar capacity to what a revolver has. Number of rounds being so similar, I'd rather have the more powerful .357 Magnum over the 9mm (don't even get me started on the .380) any day. I'm not knocking either the 9mm or the .380. Both are adequate rounds for MOST defense situations someone will find themselves in.
In my opinion, the term firefight is misleading. I don't believe a firefight can exist for most civilians. Of course for military and LE, its an ever present danger and possibility. But let's be perfectly honest here: in the vast majority of defensive situations which involve a firearm, no shots are fired. In those rare cases which do involve pulling the trigger, most "firefights" are over in three shots.
Earlier I was not knocking Glocks. I specifically said they are reliable and dependable pistols. I also said I have no desire to own one since there are equally reliable handguns in existence. Now, I realize others were attacking Glocks. To those who don't have anything worthwhile to say, I say just ignore them.
But not those of us who had constructive things to say.
Regarding your comments about revolvers, and "real world experience" (when its very true that the vast majority of people who own guns have never had to, and will never have to, present a gun in self defense, let alone pull the trigger in SD) I'm unfortunately inclined to lump you in with those who have nothing useful to say. I apologize, but that's the conclusion I've drawn.