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themanbeau 09-20-2009 01:09 AM

NO Lead Bullets-please!
 
Hi, Glockers-

Glad to be here, (G23) but some of the posts I've read make me wonder if everyone is aware of the fact that you may lose your hand (or something more essential!) at some future (soon?) date by using the wrong bullets in your Gaston. To keep from re-plowing the same old ground, I'll just borrow a few quotes from some Googles:

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Do NOT use lead in your factory Glock barrel!!!!!

It may seem like it does not leave lead--but it does, believe me. It is a kB waiting to happen.

Invest a little money into an aftermarket Glock barrel with conventional rifling. Then, fire all the lead you want. Doesn't have to be hard-cast either.
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Glock warns specifically against using lead bullets in their factory barrels for a reason.

The lead bullet has a much lower coefficient of friction than jacketed bullets do. Meaning this--two things happen when you fire a hard cast bullet at normal pistol velocities.

One, the bullet will not swage out, or obturate within the bore. You then have high temperature gas--superheated gas--that will leak and cut between the bearing surface of the bore and the bearing surface of the bullet. This will soften the lead, and turn some of the lead into a plasma that WILL adhere like crazy to the bore.

Second, the Glock polygonal rifling is smooth. It leaves the finished bore with a glass-smooth finish. VERY smooth. So smooth, in fact, that when you fire a lead bullet, at first the rifling WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BULLET. IT WILL INSTEAD SKID ACROSS THE LANDS. This, combined with the heating caused by the flame cutting WILL leave lead in your bore.

This is not a big problem with a low pressure cartridge like the .45 ACP--in a NORMAL barrel. When you talk about 9mm, .40 SW and 10mm, you are asking for fireworks.

So, spend a little extra money--or maybe even a little less--and get some jacketed bullets.
As "Safety Sam" said (old Army cadence): "Safety, safety, everyday-Sammy learned the PAINFUL way!"


Read it, and don't weep... (later)-

Ram Rod 09-22-2009 12:01 AM

Or buy an aftermarket barrel that you can shoot lead out of.

Yunus 09-22-2009 12:37 AM

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f56/gold-dot-123gr-p-glock-19-a-10704/#post69586

cpttango30 09-22-2009 12:59 AM

Ok so point out why glocks are so good? they can't handle Lead bullets the oldest bullets on the planet other than rocks. They can't handle a reload. If you put either of them in there the gun is going to blow up and turn you into Peg leg patch eye hook the pirate.

My 1911 will take lead, regular, +P 150, 185, 200, 210, 230 gr bullets lead, platted, or jacketed reloaded or new. My 1911 will function with any 45acp ammo I put in it from the cheapest wolf to the most expensive SD ammo and even the reloads I crank out at 1000 rounds an hour on my dillon 550b.

Sounds to me like Glock has some serious short comings the ergos are all wrong it sits to high in your hand it is modeled after a 2x4 wall stud.

I will buy and shoot anything but. It sounds like the glock is one of the worst made guns in the world. If I can't shoot reloads then why own it?

reloads cost so much less than factory new ammo.

I am not bagging on the glock just asking questions about why it is so good with all these short comings?

SGT-MILLER 09-22-2009 01:04 AM

To be fair, there are other manufacturers out there that put the "no reloads recommended" warning in their manuals.

Heck, the manual for the RIA 1911 states that you should only use 230 grain FMJ ammo (WTF, over????).

Surplus weapons such as the CZ82 also has the polygonal barrel, but people use reloads through them with no ill effects whatsoever.

I think the issue is with the unsupported chamber, and not the barrel itself.

themanbeau 09-22-2009 01:13 AM

NO Lead Bullets please!
 
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I think the issue is with the unsupported chamber, and not the barrel itself.
Hey, Sarge-

Could you explain this a bit more, please? Not sure I am clear on what an 'unsupported chamber' is. Pics, too-if you can dig any up. :)

Heard this about my .40, and want to be clear on it.

Thanks, in advance-

SGT-MILLER 09-22-2009 01:18 AM

Click on the link in Yunus's post above me. Scroll down and read the info posted by Canebrake. He pretty much explains it all.

Rentacop 09-22-2009 01:55 AM

To answer the question of why Glocks are so great :
1) Rust and corrosion resistance due to plastic and tennifer treated steel.

2) Good intrinsic accuracy.

3) No screws and only 33 or so parts.

4) Can be fired hundreds of rounds without feeling gummed up.

5) Extremely reliable.

6) Direct feed.

7) Safe-Action design makes it simple for revolver shooters to get used to. There is no safety catch to fumble or forget.

8) Police and military proven.

9) Easy to field strip and clean.

10) High rate of fire. Plastic frame helps dampen out recoil.

11) Reasonable price.

12) Parts and service available.

13) Light weight.

14) High capacity in most models.

15) Virtually indestructible. Chuck Taylor's Glock 17 has survived at least 250,000 rounds.

themanbeau 09-22-2009 02:04 AM

NO Lead Bullets please!
 
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Chuck Taylor's Glock 17 has survived at least 250,000 rounds.
I don't doubt the truth of this, and think Chuck is a very credible source.
But; since this thread was about lead bullets, I wonder what kind of
cleaning regimen he uses? I like Glocks, but just don't want to have to
be (at least overly) concerned with what Cane feels is their big drawback;
namely, the potential to lead up/blow up. Someone else mentioned this,
but it's different when it's your OWN mouth (or keyboard). Does buying an
after-market barrel (like a Barstow, or Lone Wolf) SOLVE the problem?!

I am-

Robin; waiting for Batman to speak with authority-

SGT-MILLER 09-22-2009 02:44 AM

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am-

Robin; waiting for Batman to speak with authority-
The correct thing to say after that statement is.................


.........anyways. Moving right along..............


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