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Old 03-20-2010, 12:10 AM   #11
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8200 posts versus 3, respected longtimer versus noob...who's taking odds on the outcome of this disagreement?


I say the newbs are going to prove something to Cane and convert him from Colt to a diehard Glock fan.
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Ummm yeah...when pigs from out of my arse.

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8200 posts versus 3, respected longtimer versus noob...who's taking odds on the outcome of this disagreement?
So, the person with the higher post count is 100% correct by default on all counts?

I'm not trying to convert anyone, I just has questions, but he made an assumption, and I answered it.

That's all folks.
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So, the person with the higher post count is 100% correct by default on all counts?

I'm not trying to convert anyone, I just has questions, but he made an assumption, and I answered it.

That's all folks.
Not always but you omitted the well respected part. I will give Cane the benefit of the doubt every day of the week over someone whose initial post inquires about converting a Glock into a Howitzer. He was offering you his experience and you chose to berate and lecture him, too bad that's your loss.
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Not always but you omitted the well respected part. I will give Cane the benefit of the doubt every day of the week over someone whose initial post inquires about converting a Glock into a Howitzer. He was offering you his experience and you chose to berate and lecture him, too bad that's your loss.
I'm not converting anything into a "Howitzer".

It also seems as if none of you have even looked into it or you would not be making statements like "Howitzer".

And there is a big difference between advice and judgment, and his advise was more opinion as it lacks fact.

A 50-BMG is a heck of a lot more powerful and that is not classified as a howitzer.

And his choice of caliber?
Lets do some Taylor rating math.

460 Rowland...185 JHP....1400....17.02
44 mag..........240 JHP....1250....18.41
A lighter bullet going faster and it puts out less energy than a 44 mag?
Why bother?

The conversion I was suggesting is no more powerful than the 44 magnum that HE was suggesting, and with the hottest load combination.
44 mag...........240 JHP......1250......18.41
50GI..............300 JHP......860........18.43

How do you deal with over-penetration of the 44 magnum?
Make the bullet wider, heavier and slow it down.

Here is the complete Taylor rating list.

9mm..................125 JHP...........1175fps....7.47
40 S&W..............180 JHP...........1050........10.07
357 mag.............158 JHP...........1250........10.80
45ACP................230 JHP...........875.........12.98
44 mag...........240 JHP...........1250.......18.41
460 Rowland.....185 JHP............1400.......17.02
50GI..................240 LSWC.........750........12.88.... 45ACP level
50GI..................300 FP.............720.........15.45.....41 Mag level
50GI..................275 JHP............890.........17.51.....41 Mag level
50GI............. 300 JHP............860.........18.43......44 Mag level
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I'm not converting anything into a "Howitzer".

It also seems as if none of you have even looked into it or you would not be making statements like "Howitzer".

And there is a big difference between advice and judgment, and his advise was more opinion as it lacks fact.

A 50-BMG is a heck of a lot more powerful and that is not classified as a howitzer.

And his choice of caliber?
Lets do some Taylor rating math.

460 Rowland...185 JHP....1400....17.02
44 mag..........240 JHP....1250....18.41
A lighter bullet going faster and it puts out less energy than a 44 mag?
Why bother?

The conversion I was suggesting is no more powerful than the 44 magnum that HE was suggesting, and with the hottest load combination.
44 mag...........240 JHP......1250......18.41
50GI..............300 JHP......860........18.43

How do you deal with over-penetration of the 44 magnum?
Make the bullet wider, heavier and slow it down.

Here is the complete Taylor rating list.

9mm..................125 JHP...........1175fps....7.47
40 S&W..............180 JHP...........1050........10.07
357 mag.............158 JHP...........1250........10.80
45ACP................230 JHP...........875.........12.98
44 mag...........240 JHP...........1250.......18.41
460 Rowland.....185 JHP............1400.......17.02
50GI..................240 LSWC.........750........12.88.... 45ACP level
50GI..................300 FP.............720.........15.45.....41 Mag level
50GI..................275 JHP............890.........17.51.....41 Mag level
50GI............. 300 JHP............860.........18.43......44 Mag level
Cane I am so sorry but I am selling my Kimber...you know my antiquated piece of nostalgia so I can go out and buy myself a G21. Then I am going to spend $500 so I can be on the cover of Mall Ninja Quarterly.

Archangel, Cane is one of the most respected knowledgeable members on this forum...or did you miss the "moderator" title. He among several other members here that you have managed to piss off on this thread are usually the most patient and helpful people on this forum. With you attitude I can only assume you will probably not last long around here.

I can only imagine what this thread would look like if Tango, Underfire or Dave got on here. I do have to thank you though, without this thread I would have never found out how the "ignore" button works.
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Could be that a new poster has more experience than some old posters. I wasn't being serious about shooting my 1911s only for nostalgic reasons. I have put a lot of rounds through Glocks and probably have as much experience in shooting .400 Cor-Bon and .40 Supers through Glocks as anybody else in the Known World.

I do have enough experience to feel confident in fixing any malady that might ever happen to one of my Glocks. (Not that I'd expect any maladies to occur!) If JMB were designing handguns today, his current handgun would probably look a lot more like a Glock than a 1911. However, his design of the 1911, using late 19th century/early 20th century technology was amazing.
The 1911 still being around and so popular a hundred years later is a testament to it's quality and design.
However, technology is still advancing, and the Glock is more advanced.

What I don't get is the "old timers with huge post counts" that are supposed to be so helpful and knowledgeable, making unfounded statements, without researching the subject, that would only take a few seconds and a couple mouse clicks.

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The 1911 still being around and so popular a hundred years later is a testament to it's quality and design.
However, technology is still advancing, and the Glock is more advanced.

What I don't get is the "old timers with huge post counts" that are supposed to be so helpful and knowledgeable, making unfounded statements, without researching the subject, that would only take a few seconds and a couple mouse clicks.

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Could be that a new poster has more experience than some old posters. I wasn't being serious about shooting my 1911s only for nostalgic reasons. I have put a lot of rounds through Glocks and probably have as much experience in shooting .400 Cor-Bon and .40 Supers through Glocks as anybody else in the Known World.

I do have enough experience to feel confident in fixing any malady that might ever happen to one of my Glocks. (Not that I'd expect any maladies to occur!) If JMB were designing handguns today, his current handgun would probably look a lot more like a Glock than a 1911. However, his design of the 1911, using late 19th century/early 20th century technology was amazing.
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