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Old 12-29-2011, 04:37 AM   #11
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I'm a bit confused as to why u think .45 is more powerful than .40
I'm a big fan of the .45 ACP - big hunk of slow moving lead, classic!
I will be the first to admit that the .40 is a more powerful round than the awesome .45 (correct me if i'm wrong)

Here are the stats i'm using.

.45 ACP . . .230 . . FMJ . . 405 ft/lbs. (11.2% wider than the .40 - slightly bigger hole)
10 mm . . . .180 . . FMJ . . 425 ft/lbs.
.40 S&W . . 165 . . FMJ . . 470 ft/lbs. (WINNER)

.45 ACP looses. It's a fatter round that's best in a single stack.

I say keep your G 22 and get some +P hollow point ammo.

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Old 12-29-2011, 04:50 AM   #12
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Well to be honest a lot of it has to do w not having 2 of the same thing... I do want more power and a smaller frame though. And even though a .40 is faster than a .45... Nothing is faster than a bullet lol.

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I'm a bit confused as to why u think .45 is more powerful than .40
I'm a big fan of the .45 ACP - big hunk of slow moving lead, classic!
I will be the first to admit that the .40 is a more powerful round than the awesome .45 (correct me if i'm wrong)

Here are the stats i'm using.

.45 ACP . . .230 . . FMJ . . 405 ft/lbs. (11.2% wider than the .40 - slightly bigger hole)
10 mm . . . .180 . . FMJ . . 425 ft/lbs.
.40 S&W . . 165 . . FMJ . . 470 ft/lbs. (WINNER)

.45 ACP looses. It's a fatter round that's best in a single stack.

I say keep your G 22 and get some +P hollow point ammo.
There is more to it than mass/speed ratio. How much energy is transfered to the target is a huge factor. The cross section or diameter is another. Bigger holes leak faster.

Worst case you got a .4 hole vs a .45 which hole drains the bucket faster?? you can try it at home. Drill a .4 inch hole in a bucket and timehow fast it drains a gallon of water. Then repeat with a .45 hole.

Gods forbid i gotta use my gun in self defense. My last shot hits the guy imperfectly and doesnt expand. im strugling in hand to hand combat i want the largest hole in him i can get so he leaks out faster giving me the edge.

Thats worst case it happens to people its why i prefer the 45 over all other semi auto cartridges. If there was a controllable easy to shoot bigger cartridge in diameter i would use it
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So what model would be recommended? Ill take anyones opinion..

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Old 12-29-2011, 05:22 AM   #15
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I'm playing Devil's Advocate here...

Jon, what's why i listed the 11.2% larger stat.
All else being equal:
You are at a loss of 65 ft/lbs. (16.0% disadvantage) for that 11.2% larger hole advantage.

I still say, for actual stopping power keep the .40 and do the +P hollow-points


Personally, I think that a 9mm would do the trick just fine with a +P hollow
point on a person. As far as dangerous game animal protection, probably
nothing less than .357 mag .40 or .45 +p in a pinch.


BTW, i do get the .4 hole vs .45 hole. I think the .45 takes the cake for target shooting. that extra
.05 inch helps get your questionable shot inside the next ring. =)

I love the .45 and it's fun as all get out to shoot, no shortage of types of loads or availability. a bit pricy though.
I don't own a .40 probably won't ever get one. i don't need another cal. to worry about over a small 16% harder hitting round.

I'll just shoot the baddy 16% more.

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I'm a bit confused as to why u think .45 is more powerful than .40
I'm a big fan of the .45 ACP - big hunk of slow moving lead, classic!
I will be the first to admit that the .40 is a more powerful round than the awesome .45 (correct me if i'm wrong)

Here are the stats i'm using.

.45 ACP . . .230 . . FMJ . . 405 ft/lbs. (11.2% wider than the .40 - slightly bigger hole)
10 mm . . . .180 . . FMJ . . 425 ft/lbs.
.40 S&W . . 165 . . FMJ . . 470 ft/lbs. (WINNER)

.45 ACP looses. It's a fatter round that's best in a single stack.

I say keep your G 22 and get some +P hollow point ammo.
This post is a failure. Your using energy values from fmj target ammo.

Lets use values from defensive ammo.
GEORGIA ARMS.
40- 180 gr 1050 fps 440#
+p. 155 gr 1200 fps 495#

45+p185 gr 1100 fps 497#


10- 180 gr 1150 fps 528#
+p 155 gr 1375 fps 650#

That Georgia Arms Speer Unicore defensive loads.
45 and 40 are even. 10mm reigns supreme.

Buffalo bore* maximum energy values for the caliber

40- 155 gr +p 1300fps. 582#
45- 185 gr +p 1150fps. 543#
10- 155 gr +p 1500fps. 774#

What just happened there? More powerful by 192#?

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willfully armed, that 10mm is well into the .357 power band.

Grab the 10mm ! <--- no idea what i'm saying. Look at cost and availability first. =)

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willfully armed, that 10mm is well into the .357 power band.

Grab the 10mm ! <--- no idea what i'm saying. Look at cost and availability first. =)
Another convert. I've done my good deed for the day.


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I haven't checked yet but I'm guess 10mm is more costly than .45 ACP?

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"Canned Heat" 10mm 180gr Full Metal Jacket 1000pk-1

"Canned Heat" .45 ACP 230gr Full Metal Jacket 1000pk

Same price per 1000
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