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Old 08-24-2013, 05:07 PM   #11
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JMHO, you are looking down the edge of a steep, sharp divide.

We have Glock lovers, and Glock haters.

As simply as I can put it, GLs think Glocks can do no wrong,

and will steadfastly ignore repeated reports of how

dangerous they are, and how easy it is to hurt yourself while

CCing. They take safety and torture tests, all performed to

point up the positive points, while ignoring weaknesses, as

Divine Gospel from the Almighty Gaston.


GHs, OTOH, readily ignore the fact that the G has a solid

rep for dependability and has passed certain torture tests.

(Many of the same ones which Hi-Point passed with flying

colors, BTW, but we won't get into that, right now.)


The difference is that Glock owners share the dubious

certainty that their pistols, while proclaimed as "safe",

defy this certainty, and there is a Syndrome which carries

the manufacturer's name to support this.


I for one, would never accept a G in purchase or trade,

because, given their rather spotty safety record, I could

never, in good conscience, sell one...

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Old 08-24-2013, 05:15 PM   #12
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JMHO,

The difference is that Glock owners share the dubious

certainty that their pistols, while proclaimed as "safe",

defy this certainty, and there is a Syndrome which carries

the manufacturer's name to support this.


I for one, would never accept a G in purchase or trade,

because, given their rather spotty safety record, I could

never, in good conscience, sell one...
I have not found any account of an accidental discharge of a Glock. Do you have record of this "spotty safety record?"
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I have not found any account of an accidental discharge of a Glock. Do you have record of this "spotty safety record?"
here's some reading for you to do!

http://www.bing.com/search?q=glock%20accidental%20discharge%20statisti cs&pc=conduit&ptag=A12ADFEFCB0F045AD9DF&form=CONMH P&conlogo=CT3210127&ShowAppsUI=1
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I have not found any account of an accidental discharge of a Glock. Do you have record of this "spotty safety record?"
"Glock Leg" is the term he was politely avoiding. Google it, no shortage of entertainment to be had.
See example:
http://youtu.be/AmRN00KbCr8"Accidental discharge" is the generous, new age, blame free term. "Negligent discharge" is the more accurate term, IMHO.
One can argue just how safe the "safe action" design is until the cows come home.
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You linked a google search. There's nothing to read. A gun will fire if the trigger is pulled.... these are negligent discharges not accidental discharges, and are a result of the fault of the operator, not the firearm.
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"Glock Leg" is the term he was politely avoiding. Google it, no shortage of entertainment to be had.
See example:
http://youtu.be/AmRN00KbCr8
"Accidental discharge" is the generous, new age, blame free term. "Negligent discharge" is the more accurate term. IMHO.
One can argue just how safe the "safe action" design is until the cows come home.
Accidental discharge is any discharge that is not from a result of the operator of the firearm directly causing the discharge. Negligent discharge would be pulling the trigger on accident, accidental discharge would be a mechanical failure of the weapon causing it to fire.

There is probably a better term for an AD than accident.

Also, I heard that video was staged to further make the point of how easy NDs can happen, and that the round was a blank.

Nevermind, he actually shot himself.

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You linked a google search. There's nothing to read. A gun will fire if the trigger is pulled.... these are negligent discharges not accidental discharges, and are a result of the fault of the operator, not the firearm.
negligent and accidental are pretty much used interchangeably with regards to firearms. either one is still a fault of the operator. at no point did i say a fault of the firearm. i think after many years of handling firearms, i full understand that they don't fire unless the trigger is pulled.
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Take a look at the results of 1911 accidental discharges. Just as bad as any Glock.
Stupid is stupid, cant cure that!!

http://www.google.com/search?q=1911+accidental+discharge&sourceid=ie7&rl s=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en

Glock 34 has been the top choice for IDPA champion shooters.

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Ever since I took interest in guns, I always thought that Glocks were low quality weapons that malfunctioned frequently and were made cheaply out of cheap parts.
You were right the first time.

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I actually think Glocks are very good looking guns
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Accidental discharge is any discharge that is not from a result of the operator of the firearm directly causing the discharge. Negligent discharge would be pulling the trigger on accident, accidental discharge would be a mechanical failure of the weapon causing it to fire.

Also, I heard that video was staged to further make the point of how easy NDs can happen, and that the round was a blank. Nevermind, he actually shot himself.
Mechanical failure can probably be traced back to negligence on someone's part. For instance, that new trigger kit installed by cousin Bubba. Maybe the installation of a substandard part. Improper assembly? Or in one known instance, the failure to ensure that the holster was actually serviceable. "Accidental" puts forth the notion that no one did anything wrong and excrement just occurs. That's rare in firearms related incidents.
Even in the event of a gun parts failure, rigorous observation of established safety rules will usually prevent injury or worse.
Example:
Once upon a time I had a problem with a new to me 1911 that would double/triple fire w/ one trigger pull. While "Accidental," the problem can be traced back to my "negligence" in failing to perform the trigger adjustment correctly. There were no injuries or damages because all safety rules were followed during firing.
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