Well I went to the range today and rented a Gen 3 G17. What I found was its not so much the angle, but the hump on the grip that throws me off. Also took some brass to the head. For this being my first time shooting any pistol other than my Sig .22, I think I made some decent groups. To me they look as good if not better than the groups with my Sig. Groups were at 7 yards.