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 02-06-2011, 04:41 PM | #11 | Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, ohio Posts: 38 |
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Its crazy isn't it? The only place in the world where you can have 90 degree weather today and 20 degree weather two days later! Looking at moving to Michigan some time this year. Lived there for a year at one time.
I always find myself spending more time on the survivalist portion of FTF when the weather gets like this.
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I go to Michigan quite a bit. My wife has family all over the state, Bay City is where my inlaws have a house. +P+ is good ammo!! Sorry had to try to stay on topic  
I just signed up for some survivalist forum, maybe I need to get out of the house. | 
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| 06-07-2011, 01:59 AM | #12 | Heart Of Dixie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 243 |
I like most all guns, including Glocks. | |
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| 06-25-2011, 02:55 PM | #13 | Gun Junkie Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 254 |
Quetion: How can the Glock guys tell if the loads were factory or reloads? I just saw a site that was selling +P+ stuff. I'm a rookie so school me on this. __________________
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| 07-08-2011, 01:35 PM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Columbia, Missouri Posts: 1,181 |
Well an armorer told me they really can't tell. I'm sure they could figure it out if you sent in a blown up barrel. The +p or the +p+ loads have a lot more pressure then the standard loads. Glock has come out and said that they're barrels can handle the pressure. Most newer handgun should be able to. My carry load for my G17 are Buffalo Bore 147gn +p+ . They pack quite a whallop with a muzzle velocity of 1300 fps and muzzle energy of 451 ft.lbs. (which is equivalent to a .45 acp 230 gn fmj) but saying that I use a kkm precision barrel on my glock which has better overall tolerances then the stock barrel
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| 08-31-2011, 11:10 AM | #15 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Dardenne Prairie, Missouri Posts: 105 |
Figured as much for Glocks (have 4th Gen 17 and 27). I have an S&W Bodyguard 380 and Ruger LCP for pocket carry for me and my wife. I had the Bodyguard in for service a while back, and they made a point to tell me to NOT shoot +P or +P+ through it. Ruger says in their manual to not use +P, but I know a guy who was a salesman with Glock for 25 years, and he has a Ruger contact that says not only can you shoot +P through the LCP, but damage from +P rounds would be covered under warranty. I guess it's a bit of heresay, but I do trust this guy, and I do carry the LCP with +P. | |
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| 08-31-2011, 11:45 AM | #16 | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: FEMA Region 5 Posts: 1,262 |
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Figured as much for Glocks (have 4th Gen 17 and 27). I have an S&W Bodyguard 380 and Ruger LCP for pocket carry for me and my wife. I had the Bodyguard in for service a while back, and they made a point to tell me to NOT shoot +P or +P+ through it. Ruger says in their manual to not use +P, but I know a guy who was a salesman with Glock for 25 years, and he has a Ruger contact that says not only can you shoot +P through the LCP, but damage from +P rounds would be covered under warranty. I guess it's a bit of heresay, but I do trust this guy, and I do carry the LCP with +P.
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That's good to know. As I have said before, no self-respecting ammunition manufacturer is going to knowingly market a round so hot that a consumers guns going to go ka-boom. The gun may wear quicker, but not blow to pieces. No one would buy their loads anymore! Same goes for +P+ as well.
As a side note, ruger can't prove jack if you don't mention it! __________________
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| 08-31-2011, 11:48 AM | #17 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Dardenne Prairie, Missouri Posts: 105 |
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As a side note, ruger can't prove jack if you don't mention it!
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Yeah, regardless of what the manufacturer says, my position will probably always be Winchester Whitebox Range Ammo | |
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| 08-31-2011, 10:17 PM | #18 | Junior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Myrtle beach, Sc Posts: 19 |
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Originally Posted by paulbrower
Figured as much for Glocks (have 4th Gen 17 and 27). I have an S&W Bodyguard 380 and Ruger LCP for pocket carry for me and my wife. I had the Bodyguard in for service a while back, and they made a point to tell me to NOT shoot +P or +P+ through it. Ruger says in their manual to not use +P, but I know a guy who was a salesman with Glock for 25 years, and he has a Ruger contact that says not only can you shoot +P through the LCP, but damage from +P rounds would be covered under warranty. I guess it's a bit of heresay, but I do trust this guy, and I do carry the LCP with +P.
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I'm sure you already have, but if it is gonna be your carry ammo in the lcp, make sure it will cycle reliably, I had a S&W compact 9mm that would not cycle +p, it would ftf every round | |
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| 09-01-2011, 01:26 AM | #19 | Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Third bunker on the right, Central Virginia Posts: 8,376 Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
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FWIW, there is a SAAMI standard for what IS +p ammo (only in .38 Special and 9mm Parabellum. ALL .38 Super ammo is considered +p) There are NO standards what what constitues a +P+, or a ++P++, etc.
Issue is not likely to be an explosive scattering of pieces parts of the handgun- it will be sharply accelerated wear and tear on the gun. Possibly a life span of 4-5 boxes of ammo (in an extreme case).
My suggestion- shoot the ammo that cycles your auto 100.0000% of the time. The 9mm Water Buffalo Crusher that will not feed or eject leaves you holding a poorly designed club.
9mm is not enuff for you? Go buy a .40. A .38 Special not up to it? That's why they make .357 magnums- which are WAY beyond any Plusing and Peeing. __________________
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| 10-14-2011, 03:09 AM | #20 | Happy Kahr Family! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,904 |  +p+
This is good info to know since I just bought a few boxes of Winchester Ranger T-series 127gr +p+ for my Glock 17 Gen4.
I was thinking the newer Gen4 recoil springs could handle the 42,000 psi with aplomb.
We shall see. __________________
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12 gauge, 5.56x45mm NATO, .30-30 Win
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