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Old 09-17-2011, 03:15 AM   #11
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...So what is up with the gen. 4's? Quentin just posted a thread about a recoils spring exchange and I've heard other chatter about this and that.

I at this time owning 3 guns, 2 Glocks, I wouldn't buy a Gen. 4 on a dare.

They could have just kept the Gen 3's and just modified the frames or what not.
DB, I wouldn't give up on the Gen 4s yet. I did order the new RSA for my 23Gen4 but only to upgrade it to what Glock now says is standard. The older RSA works perfectly but why not upgrade mine to what Glock puts in current stock.

Of course Gen4 problems have been a much bigger issue in the 9mm 17/19 than 40S&W 22/23.
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Old 09-17-2011, 03:26 AM   #12
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I have never had a problem out of my Gen 3 23c my other Gen3 23 or my Gen 4 23, never had a fail to fire, fail to eject, fail to chamber, double feed, KB, limp wrist or any of the other crap that floats around online, But did i get one lucky one? maybe, three no, will there be bad ones? i am sure of it, but i can say out of all semi auto pistols i have owned or had the misfortune of owing i can say my Gen 3 and 4 Glocks are the only ones i have not had 1 problem out of yet.

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The issues with the Gen4s stemmed from the 9s being oversprung. Glock has now, finally, admitted that the 9mm and .40SW need proprietary springs.

No more sharing the same spring. Problem solved.

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So he just had it tucked in the front by his weiner... Nice... Ive never carried tht way for the simple fact of tht happening
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The issues with the Gen4s stemmed from the 9s being oversprung. Glock has now, finally, admitted that the 9mm and .40SW need proprietary springs.

No more sharing the same spring. Problem solved.
I think you're exactly right, M14. A lot of people point at the extractor as the problem but I think having the right RSA will do the trick. And of course Glock does too or they wouldn't be moving people to the latest RSA.

Anyway some people gloat about a Glock Gen 4 "recall" but I just see it as growing pains in a new model. No doubt I'd feel different if I bought a 9mm that stovepiped.

My only worry is being too quick to send back my old RSA that has functioned perfectly. I won't do it until I'm sure the new one works as well. And that'll be a real long time or never.
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So he just had it tucked in the front by his weiner... Nice... Ive never carried tht way for the simple fact of tht happening
Amen to that...altho...years ago, there was a product known as ThunderWear!!

I'm not crazy enough to use a Safety Action pistol in my crotch...I still want more kids!!
And even if I don't have more kids, I still wanna Practice making more kids
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Amen to that...altho...years ago, there was a product known as ThunderWear!!

I'm not crazy enough to use a Safety Action pistol in my crotch...I still want more kids!!
And even if I don't have more kids, I still wanna Practice making more kids
Thunderwear? Like reinforced underwear tht u wont blow out on really gassy days? Or a holster......hahahaha
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Thunderwear was a material waist band style that gave the wearer a place to "tuck" the firearm.

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Gen4 Why So Troubled?

It's not just Gen4. Gen3's have the same problem, though it doesn't seem as bad in Gen3 for whatever reason.

My 2004 Gen3 G23 ejects fine, my 2009 Gen3 G27 does not, using the same extractor and spent casing in both slides the G27 has about 1mm of extra space for the rim of the casing to slide rear-to-muzzle between the breech face and claw of the extractor. That's the problem, the extractor cut-out in the slide is too far forward and it's allowing the casing to drop down toward the magazine instead of being held to the breech face. It seems the problem exists to varying degrees from one slide to another, it's likely a production/quality control issue. Because the extractor claw is still forward of the rim ejection still occurs, though not as reliably. The casing pivots right and smashes the case mouth into the right side of the ejection port, then bounces around in the ejection port.

Glock has a new 9mm ejector to help remedy the problem. Hopefully they'll have a new .40/.357SIG version soon. It's very new and some of the Glock techs have said it's only for Gen4, but even so the ejector would work the same in a Gen3 or earlier. The new ejector has a rearward tilt that would raise the case mouth earlier to help the casing clear the ejection port, and it's taller top to bottom so no matter how far down the casing falls the ejector will still act on it in the same fashion. Every person I've heard from who's tried the new ejector said it fixed the problem. Even if it doesn't address the cause, it's still a solution. But Glock needs to assure in the future that when the slides are cut, the extractor cut-out is precisely where it should be.

Here are some pictures of the new ejector:
1. Ejector Fix pictures by SGTDuffman - Photobucket
2. http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6150625187_a301599fa3_b.jpg
3. http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu126/bigcal916/Ejectorside.jpg

Apparently some people have gone to GSSF matches with their Gen4 9mm's and their guns didn't have any problems, but the Armorer still replaced their ejector with the new version. So apparently Glock is standardizing Gen4 9mm's on this ejector. It should only be a matter of time before the large retailers receive the newest Gen4 9mm trigger housings with the new ejector, and if you own a Gen3 that has this problem it's a simple matter to pull the ejectors out of the trigger housings and swap them so you can use the new ejector in a Gen3 or earlier.

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