Another thing I've noticed over the last few years is most of the people who hate Glocks, and pi$$ and moan about them, have never owned one. Many have never even shot one, except for perhaps a magazine or two from the gun of a friend, or some such. Until you actually own a gun and work with it, you have no idea. I was the same way about Ruger Mini 14's for years. Then I finally actually broke down and bought one. It was the best move I ever made. It made a complete convert out of me. Bill T.