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That's very good information Rentacop, thank you for posting this.
Everyone needs to take some time and read that report if you carry a weapon for protection or have one around the house.
Of interest, the police officers involved were shooting a suspect with only a down jacket a T-shirt. Their .40S&W rounds penetrated about an inch into the victim and did not cause any life threatening wounds.
The SWAT officer fired .223 rounds ( 17 I believe ) and 13 of them WENT THROUGH the assailant without stopping him.
I found the report kind of double speaking. They said the .40S&W was insufficient to end the threat, but then at the end they said it was sufficent. The .223 rounds, which did not pass the FBI tests, did end the threat, but at the end of the report they claimed the rounds were not sufficient.
This goes to show that shot placement is much more important than getting multiple rounds on target. A large round is going to help, but this assailant had a shattered arm and a shattered pelvis and continued to shoot at officers.
Tight groups guys - where you want to place them is the key, not slinging lead in the area of the bad guys....
I got the same from Front Sight, they do have some good stuff they put out to make you stop and think, and they do have a well laid out marketing plan.What got me is the amount of hits, and when the last decisive round was fired, was he was still firing.ANOTHER THING IS THAT SHOWS WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE HEAT OF A CONFLICT, Opps sorry for the caps, keys are too close.Also he still reloaded from loose rounds from a box of rounds. That really goes to prove that every one needs to practice and practice on shot placement.
Glad you found the link worthwhile. I think some of the confusion stems from the FBI's disputing the NTOA's statements. The FBI seems to imply that some of the .40 bullets had to penetrate more than an inch based on the fact that they mushroomed.
The key points here are :
1) The initial wound or wounds can trigger the body's natural defenses, shutting off pain and making the body insensitive to subsequent wounds.
2) Unless a wound shuts down the central nervous system, you can't bet on an instant stop.
3) Shot placement is king.
4) Even top quality ammo may not live up to your expectations even if it performs as advertised.
I don't think anyone doubted or argued that shot placement is KING. However, making an appropriate shot placement during a gun-fight will prove to be very difficult at best. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE is your only chance to get it right.
the need to carry spare magazines even if it was from the bad guy's point of view this time.
I'm not too sure what to take from the ballistic evidence tho. I will continue to carry my Ruger P94 and practice, practice, practice.