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Old 10-01-2013, 06:32 AM   #21
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Largest diameter expansion in a 9mm JHP is 124 grain federal HST at .88" This is the ammo our office issues for our Glock 19 shooters.


Manufacturer/Ammo in order of largest diameter expansion to smallest:

Federal HST
Winchester Ranger T
Winchester Ranger Bonded
Speer Gold Dot
Hornady XTP
Barnes TAC-XP

I can list all the grains and expansion diameters for you too but I'm tired and this is my last post before I go to sleep. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.
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Ammo choices today is a little like gasoline station choices. Going past a 7/11 to shop somewhere else does what exactly? Will your car really notice a difference?

Live your gun experience all through your life in such a way, you train, but plan to never need to unholster your gun. Run from confrontational experiences.

No ammo made in slug form, from a 9mm will guarantee a stop at drywall. Your family, in another room, is at risk of death if you shoot in your home. Neighbors in other homes are equally at risk.

Drywall is paper with a hardended layer of powder like talcumpowder. Usualy two layers, on both sides of a wall, is 1" thick or less. A bullet laughs at drywall and continues forward like a knife through hot butter.

Run, hide, evade, is most always superior to taking a shot.

Are some bullets better than others for defense? If you want to loose a justifiable shooting case in court, use Zombie Max. Same exact ammo as Critical Defence, except it has a zombie green dot at the tip, and you will look like a dufus in court by your ammo choice.

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Ammo choices today is a little like gasoline station choices. Going past a 7/11 to shop somewhere else does what exactly? Will your car really notice a difference?

Live your gun experience all through your life in such a way, you train, but plan to never need to unholster your gun. Run from confrontational experiences.

No ammo made in slug form, from a 9mm will guarantee a stop at drywall. Your family, in another room, is at risk of death if you shoot in your home. Neighbors in other homes are equally at risk.

Drywall is paper with a hardended layer of powder like talcumpowder. Usualy two layers, on both sides of a wall, is 1" thick or less. A bullet laughs at drywall and continues forward like a knife through hot butter.

Run, hide, evade, is most always superior to taking a shot.

Are some bullets better than others for defense? If you want to loose a justifiable shooting case in court, use Zombie Max. Same exact ammo as Critical Defence, except it has a zombie green dot at the tip, and you will look like a dufus in court by your ammo choice.
Good points. No ammo with good terminal ballistics will stop in drywall. If it stops in drywall its not good enough for self defense.

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But some good research into modern JHPs helps boost confidence and build realistic expectations as to what your ammo of choice will do and what it won't do. I learned so much more about guns and ballistics doing research on what my department issued and what I carry than I would have if I hadn't started reading.
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Delta, that website is no longer valid. It said "domain is available".
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Delta, that website is no longer valid. It said "domain is available".
Whoops! Fixed it. That link works. Thanks!!!
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