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Old 11-14-2013, 06:20 PM   #51
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Sure..but try to take in consideration one thing:during the yugo wars, my knowledge of several domestic and foreign weaponry saved my life several times and maximized my performance on the field.Just finished the ammo?no problem, I can pick enemy weapons. My enemy has a better weapon in terms of accuracy/Reliability?I'll pick those to neutralize him.
Don't mistake my statement for approval. It's simply reality. Between time and money limitations, choices have to be made. At no point will everyone be happy with the choices that are made. Trigger pullers want more ammo, fliers want more flying hours, everyone wants new equipment of some sort, and so forth down the line.
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On my Way "out the Door" in the Spring of '91, a very wise "Sr. Officer" told me" "this is how War works. We don't always get to do the right thing." I got P.O.ed but held my Mouth, because even though he's Family, and In a "Different Branch," He was still wearing Stars...

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See that is ridiculous the military mindset in the senior leadership is just crazy. Everyone caters to all the whiners and pansies who would have been tossed out if "wall to wall counseling" failed, the ROE is absolutely ludicrous, the poor boots on the ground second guess every action because they are worried about getting tossed in Leavenworth for doing what they are trained to do. I'm sorry but I miss having "NCO business" time and actual corrective training that worked. Make a PVT. carry a 10 lb brick with his face drawn on it and his ID info on it and he won't lose his ID anymore, but now that is not allowed you can only counsel them and build a paper trail. I wouldn't have held my tongue lol I've seen Generals discount what XO's and Battalion Staff say and defer to a Chief on issues even when it went against damn near every other officer in the room. Chiefs kick ass I always was jealous of ours. He never went to formation and if he was specifically requested to he showed up in grease covered overalls like WTF do ya'll want he would stand off by himself not in the formation with a big ass dip in and his larger than life mustache lol him and his wife (a korean woman he married 30 years ago at Camp Stanley) owned a bar off post too.

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I tended to shoot at the sound of an AK being fired.
^^+^^ Me too. Distinctive muzzle report, green tracer meant bad guy.
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Sean,..your correct, and painfully so. This is why I resigned My commission after Desert Storm, because we weren't allowed to "finish" the job..
Were you medically retired or resigned your commission ?
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Quite possibly the American forces use American manufactured equipment to ensure a reliable source and short supply lines. The design source of the weapon would be a secondary concern. The politics of buying from foreign sources could put any deal in danger. Mauser seems to have addressed that pretty well by selling guns and selling manufacturing licenses in various parts of the world. The 1903 Springfield was done by making it in the US and ultimately paying Mauser royalties. It seems to me that US forces have sourced sidearms from non-US manufacturers in the past. So the argument about using only US products does have some weak spots in it.
And there is always the Beretta M9.
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Mark: I entered the Army via the Warrant Officer Flight prg. In 1979. There is OPFOR training for almost EVERYONE(at least there was then). Even "Flight" personnel needed to Identify enemy aircraft and such.
I wish I still had my Aircraft Recognition playing cards. And my orange strobe light. Have the orange switchblade with the Parachute cord cuter but it's broken.
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See that is ridiculous the military mindset in the senior leadership is just crazy. Everyone caters to all the whiners and pansies who would have been tossed out if "wall to wall counseling" failed, the ROE is absolutely ludicrous, the poor boots on the ground second guess every action because they are worried about getting tossed in Leavenworth for doing what they are trained to do. I'm sorry but I miss having "NCO business" time and actual corrective training that worked. Make a PVT. carry a 10 lb brick with his face drawn on it and his ID info on it and he won't lose his ID anymore, but now that is not allowed you can only counsel them and build a paper trail. I wouldn't have held my tongue lol I've seen Generals discount what XO's and Battalion Staff say and defer to a Chief on issues even when it went against damn near every other officer in the room. Chiefs kick ass I always was jealous of ours. He never went to formation and if he was specifically requested to he showed up in grease covered overalls like WTF do ya'll want he would stand off by himself not in the formation with a big ass dip in and his larger than life mustache lol him and his wife (a korean woman he married 30 years ago at Camp Stanley) owned a bar off post too.
We have a few people lose their meal cards while I was doing my BMQ, their punishment was to "shame" them. For the rest of the course (about two weeks), they had to use a piece of card board the side of the lid of a shoe box to retrieve their food, no matter the time of day.
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actually there are "Rules of War" unfortunately our current enemies do not follow them ie beheading P.O.W's, intentionally targeting civilians, using human shields. However God Forbid one of our Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, or Air Force personnel are caught doing anything remotely controversial then its time to throw the book at them. Case in point when the Marines dead checked a injured fighter in Fallujah with a reporter/cameraman right behind him, when an Army Officer(my former Batt. Commander) roughed up an Iraqi Policeman(suspected of supplying intel to AQIQ) and fired his 9 mm next to the guys head into a clearing barrel getting said guy to canary up. When Marine Snipers urinated on dead Taliban fighters(Hmm isn't that what they teach dehumanizing your enemy to make it easier for us on our psyche to kill them). Maybe if they banned all the damn reporters from these combat zones, untied our Militaries hands and let them pursue and destroy completely our enemies then maybe we wouldn't have lost the three Seals on Team 10 in Afghanistan, maybe these wars would have ended in total victory instead of long drawn out occupations with police force like missions, maybe if we went back to walking softly, but carrying that big ass stick we wouldn't have all these damn problems across the globe.
If that police officer, who was supposed to be working for his country and not the people who would destroy his country, was supplying information to the enemy then I think your friend would've been well within his authority to use that Iraqi police officer's head as a clearing barrel.
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And there is always the Beretta M9.
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