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Old 11-13-2013, 01:14 AM   #31
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... the average american soldier simply doesn't know the enemy rifles or simply doesn't know how to operate them.Now try to imagine the following:You just run out of ammo, your only chance to get back to home alive is to use the enemy's weapons against him.But you never learnt how to use them.So what are your going to?Cry like a baby and hope the enemy will have mercy of you?! ...
I would hope in an emergency most of our soldiers could pick up an enemy rifle and figure it out well enough so they don't have to throw rocks. Certainly an AK is pretty easy to operate, even if you haven't had time to become proficient.
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Seems like a false alarm to me. This is probably done when it needs to be done. There is a lot more going on than meets the eye, at least I hope so.

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We supply tons of AK-47 to our allies around the world. We have small arms specialist that maintain and train 3rd world militias to use these weapons.
As far as the AR rifles in SE Asia the main issue was Ball powder and lack of cleaning gear and instructions. I have instruction sheets from that time. It states cleaning is only necessary 2 times a year in tropical conditions. Ball powder and chamber fouling was a problem. No cleaning rods or patches were issued to troops in the early days. These rifles actually did well considering.

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It used to be a great source of trivia but the AR was originally designed for the .30 cal and had to be quickly redesigned for 5.56. AR - Armelite Rifle.

Yet, it was more than likely the lack of cleaning that doomed the original issue. There was even a short comic book created w female showing the troops how to clean the weapon. (After alot of people lost their lives) If you have one of these, it is worth some $$$.

I remember one particular training session in the late 80's, we had been up for a very long time running patrols and of course, it started raining. Long story, short - an instructor bet us 30 push ups that not one of our weapons would fire a 30 rd mag. We readily agreed as we really wanted to see the officer do push ups in the mud. Unfortunately, it was us who got the exercise. The M16 platform requires maintenance.

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Generally speaking, although not always, we supply our soldiers with enough weapons and ammunition, electronic gadgets, and vehicles to figure out such that it generally keeps them busy enough that playing with the enemy's weapons isn't real high on the priority list.

Could we do better? Well, we can always do better… With more time, money, training, people, etc. The real question is, are US forces proficient with their own weapons, do they have and use ammunition for training, do they receive adequate instruction, are they apprised of the intricacies of American equipment. If you can do all that, then you're doing alright for yourself.

If anything, many of our enemies don't know how to use their own weapons and that's the only saving grace that our forces can sometimes look forward to.

If perhaps one tenth of the money that we spend trying to use technology to replace human knowledge and skill was put towards training our soldiers to be better at basic job tasks (marksmanship, combined maneuvers, land navigation), there would be no competition from any enemy we would likely face.

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If anything, many of our enemies don't know how to use their own weapons and that's the only saving grace that our forces can sometimes look forward to.
I couldn't agree more but we now have whole generations raised in conflict. Hammas and Iran both have elite forces in the field right now. Insurgency seems to be their specialty.

A Marine in Iraq said it best, "No one can beat us in a straight up fight, we are just too good; the problem is, the enemy doesn't fight fair."
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As far as I know, only (relatively) recently the us armed forces began to train their soldier to get used to other countries' weapons(Like the ak, steyr,etc).And with really bad results-I have seen these trainings and let me say it:The average (standard) soldier is not able to use an AK as good as I'm able to use his M16/M4 carbine or an AR15 derivative.
I'm just wondering why the american military doctrine is so focused on american weapons and ignore the rest of the world.Its troops has to face several enemies around the world, but the average american soldier simply doesn't know the enemy rifles or simply doesn't know how to operate them.Now try to imagine the following:You just run out of ammo, your only chance to get back to home alive is to use the enemy's weapons against him.But you never learnt how to use them.So what are your going to?Cry like a baby and hope the enemy will have mercy of you?!

I have seen and heards so many times the other countries' military forces complaining about the fact the us soldiers have the greatest lack of knowledge concerning the small arms sector.The don't know how to load, to clean, to un-jam and sometimes even how to shoot the weapons(E.g.:How to disable the safety).
Why the us government doesn't provide some extra training???
Easy: Training time and training money are finite resources. When a hundred other issues (some more necessary than others) require money and time as well, OPFOR weaponry is at the end of a pretty long list.
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A Marine in Iraq said it best, "No one can beat us in a straight up fight, we are just too good; the problem is, the enemy doesn't fight fair."
Why don't we load up some super-hot 7.62x39 loads and leave a case here and there in selected hot zone areas and watch them blow their guns and more up?
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During the Vietnam War super hot ammo was placed in the communist ammo dumps. These were carefully placed in existing ammo stock. It was impossible to find.
The idea was to make enemy troops fear their own weapons. There were many rifles exploding and removing the owners from the Battle Fields. The "Liberals" in Washington had it stopped. This was not legal warfare. And of course Jane Fonda was manning an anti-aircraft gun.

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During the Vietnam War super hot ammo was placed in the communist ammo dumps. These were carefully placed in existing ammo stock. It was impossible to find. The idea was to make enemy troops fear their own weapons. There were many rifles exploding and removing the owners from the Battle Fields. The "Liberals" in Washington had it stopped. This was not legal warfare. And of course Jane Fonda was manning an anti-aircraft gun.


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