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Old 08-21-2010, 04:04 PM   #41
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It all depends on your objective. If you want to win a competition, then concentrate on accuracy in terms of MOA and such. If you want to be a sniper, then you need to focus on stealth and firing at long range with miraculous accuracy. If your objective is self defense, then the focus is quite different. That's why the military generally teaches aiming at "center mass". If you hit an attacker in the forearm or the ankle, you'll generally dissuade him from continuing to harass you. You don't need need to hit most bad guys between the eyes to make them "mission abort".

I have taught marksmanship from US Army Basic Training to NEW Iraqi Army entry training at Kir Kush. Good performance doesn't require catastrophic effects on target... it just requires winning.

One of the things that is often overlooked is that in a hostile situation the bad guys are smart. They are careful. They aren't just drug ridden nuts waiting for you to shoot them. Staionary targets don't replicate a smart, aggressive enemy very well. It is generally wise to assume that your opponent is smart. They limit their exposure to the two or three seconds we teach our own. They suppress YOU just as you suppress THEM. They SHOOT BACK.

When it comes to marksmanship in a hostile environment, I'll trade a hit on the "outer ring" of the enemy torso for not getting hit myself... ANY DAY.

I taught Army Aviators using MILES back in the 80's. Cobra drivers in Vietnam had learned that firing from altitude made them pretty much immune to ground fire, so they engaged targets with impunity from altitude freely. Our exercises included Stinger Missile simulation and lots of young stud Cobra jocks were angry that they were "killed" when doing as they had been trained. No one ever told them that their enemy was as smart as they were.

The National Training Center at Fort Irwin spends billions of dollars training troops to maneuver and fire againt an innovative enemy that is firing, hiding and manuevering against THEM. Marksmanaship skills are wonderful... but there is a lot more to shooting inside a circle... when the circle is firing BACK.
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I received some of my most important fundamental and realistic training in the military. Learned it, practiced it, and used it in real time. One must continue their training and shooting education and always be open for more improvement, suggestions and skill adaption, even in a the civi world, there are still some similar elements of combat. One must be always prepared to engage, when and if targeted.

But no, there is no other training that can substitute for the cunning, reasoning, attitude, excitement and adrenaline rush that comes with the contact of live organic targets that shoot back...and can end or change your life as you know it today, quickly.


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I had 3 Life threatening experiences before i decided to arm myself. At my CCW course i realized that i knew next to nothing about handeling my gun with proper care and attention. So i took Front Sights 2 Day Definsive Handgun Course and wish i could have afforded the 4 day. When i get working again, an advanced course is in the plans.

My first gun was a 22 single bolt action (it shot the tiny little 22 caps). I must have been 5 as i hadn't started school yet. I was living with my grandparents on their farm and one of my chores was to patrol the pastures and shoot all gophers/ground squirrels. I've had several rifles as i grew up but never a hand gun, just not possible for most folks in Canada.

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The best training I ever received was at Cobray International, Inc. in Powder Springs, GA in 1980 with a close second being Winnebago County Sheriff's Department Police Training & Night Fire Course. Finally, the training provided by the United States Army, Sniper Training Course.

I think the best training is the one that we get the most out of by opening our ears, shutting our mouths - no matter how repetitive it may seem. Ask questions when it's time for Q & A. Peace Always - dthomas

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I did frontsite would say it was very good student/instructor was 5 to1
So someone was watching all the 4 day handgun enjoyed and
Learned alot

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the mout training i had in the army was really valuable as was the force on force excersises. all the use of force rules that got drilled into me as an mp.

the 5 years spent in the army and the 4 months of basic/ait mp school was really worthwhile.

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Best training I ever had was from my dad having me shoot a wood pecker out of a tree the first time he took me squirrel hunting just to show me what a gun can do to a living creature.

Then after a few trips out with the 20 ga., he took me behind the barn with a stack of targets, a bench, and a .22 and we spend the whole damn day. Shoot it, break it down, clean it, shoot it, break it down, clean it, shoot it, break it down, clean it, shoot it, over and over again.

Pops is a former Marine Corps drill instructor and sniper.

I did finally beat him at trap this spring though.

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best training I had was survival training, all we were given was a knife and a single MRE. We were out there in BF egypt for 2 weeks, if you didn't eat for three or four days the MRE was there to save you only once. In general really good bow practice, I made a bow and a few arrows mostly what me and my buddy ate was anything with four legs that we could hit with an arrow.

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The NRA safety course I had when I was 11.

It created the foundation for everything else...

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I have had a few It Started with my dad

He started training me in aimed fire, point shooting & hip shooting at the tender age of 6 with a S&W K-22 then graduated to his 38spl M&P 4". at 13 I was given a 1911 for christmas & when I went to Coast Guard Boot Camp when we went to the range we were given 1911's to shoot but first we had to field strip them & clean them. By the time the instructor got to me I already had mine [U]detail stripped[U] He almost had a cow until I put it back together and did a function check, in less time than the other recruits that field stripped theirs.

Then was the FBI Police Rangemaster & Firearms Instructor School., the Police Dept & 270 M.P.Co. It all proved itself when I was attacked on duty by a paint sniffer who raped a 56 year old grandmother & attacked her 5 yr old granddaughter.

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