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Old 01-03-2014, 07:25 PM   #31
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I don't understand why there are arguments about a video. My night stand handgun is a 1911a1 in 10mm. What is accuracy? Hit an intruder in the leg, leg gone. Arm, arm gone, chest, can you say jello. 180gr gold dots are not really nice if you are on the receiving end. Even if you are using a mouse gun a solid hit to the shoulder is going to slow them for a second shot. I taught my wife to start low and keep firing. It allows a small person to use the natural rise to put an entire mag into an attacker if needed.



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If I can hit a pie plate at 100 yards I'm happy.


Hell, at my age, I'm happy just to SEE a pie plate at a 100yds!!!


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Remember the B-27 standard LEO silhouette Target is a "for Score" qualifications. Not all Police officers ,Soldiers, (or civilians )are X ring (perfect score) shooters. That itself tends to create the common attitudes toward "Accuracy" .

In training applications the B-27s (et al) allows greater area for bullet strikes. Instructors then can get a idea of a shooters ability, and to work out any problems with the basics.

With pistols, you're just as well off practicing static, by shooting paper plates with a 1 inch dot centered. And further reinforcement by shooting reactive plates, rocks, cans, potatoes etc for immediate feedback. <---Here accuracy is realized in ABILITY to HIT YOUR TARGET.

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Reactive targets are always better. For new shooters a 3D target is easier, for more experienced, just plain fun. Make 'em skip down range, just a perfect day. Gets your hands and eyes to work in unison.

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accuracy = venison meatballs and ziti!
hmmmmmm......Minute Of Deer!

sounds tasty!
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hmmmmmm......Minute Of Deer!

sounds tasty!
Better then eating crow!
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Better then eating crow!
crow tastes pretty good if it's grilled!
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Pincus is okay, I think he's one of the few notable trainers who actually has something worthwhile to contribute to shooting TTP, especially in SD/HD.

But I think there's a tendency in recent years to over-analyze and complicate shooting technique, especially for new handgun shooters...almost too much information and too many variations going into what should be a relatively simple and natural action. IMHO, the simplest approaches are the best for getting someone to hit what they are supposed to hit. Get to a level of comfort with the basics and then repetitive practice until consistency is achieved...and don't over-think every move.

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Pincus is okay, I think he's one of the few notable trainers who actually has something worthwhile to contribute to shooting TTP, especially in SD/HD.

But I think there's a tendency in recent years to over-analyze and complicate shooting technique, especially for new handgun shooters...almost too much information and too many variations going into what should be a relatively simple and natural action. IMHO, the simplest approaches are the best for getting someone to hit what they are supposed to hit. Get to a level of comfort with the basics and then repetitive practice until consistency is achieved...and don't over-think every move.
I think that is much of what he is saying in this video as well.

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There are two types of students I see at SD classes. Those that think speed is the key and they are all over place (read outside of that 9 circle for example) and those that are precision paper punchers. Both have good qualities and bad qualities.

I simply ask the fast shooters to slow down and take as long as it takes to get me shots in the inner circle and I ask the bulls eye guys to shoot as fast as they can to stay inside the 9 circle.

At the end of an hour, you have students combining speed and accuracy, which is the ultimate goal in SD, IMHO.
Everything else, considering they have good basics skills down is semantics and tweaking.
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