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Old 08-21-2009, 10:40 AM   #21
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Those are good examples of guard misconduct. We haven't had that sort of thing where I work, at least not lately.
I feel that this kind of thing is not typical of guards, however. The trouble with FPS, from failure to show up to rudeness to long response times to obesity to overstepping authority is the rule, systemic.
Your trivializing all of FPS's faults as a matter of my feelings being hurt is absurd.

This story is funny in a way : Once, a federal security official remarked to a project
manager that a previous guard company's guards had been awful.
" Why didn't you complain to FPS ? ", the PM asked.
The federal official replied, " We did, but they never did anything. "

Most of the complaints we see about guards here are for minor stuff like using a cell phone, drinking coffee, loud talking, use of profanity among themselves, conversing with employees too much and not wearing the uniform hat outdoors.

My pet peeve is female guards who get everything by sleeping with the right supervisor.
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:39 PM   #22
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I can't resist adding some more stories about FPS, lest everyone think I'm " whining " or had my " feelings hurt ".

A guard sent FPS evidence of his company's falsification of federal documents, a federal crime. He also wrote that he had " knowlege of criminal acts ". 6 Months later, he called to ask how the investigation was progressing.
FPS told him, " We lost the paperwork. You'll have to re-submit everything. " FPS never asked what " criminal acts " he had knowlege of. Thefts ? What ?

A guard was refused permission to take her written test at the Washington Navy Yard because she neglected to bring her Social Security card. The test examiner stupidly lectured her that she should always carry her Social Security Card on her person, brushing aside the guard's concerns about identity theft. I witnessed this.
Yeah, real security experts at FPS !

FPS had a guy who slipped locks and parked a block away to sneak up on guards, contrary to GSA's own guidelines for post inspections. He won promotions for writing up a lot of guards. He once wrote a guard up for sweating ( No joke, the guard's shirt was drenched from working in a building on a weekend when the A/C was turned off to save GSA money.) Eventually, this FPO was charged with child molesting and lost his clearances-but he was kept on the payroll until retirement. Thanks to kind words from a superior, he was never convicted.

Guards from a certain company flunked the range at the Navy Yard ( 20 would go, 2 would pass ) on the old A-1 Course. When FPS began sending a man to other ranges to do the testing, most of these guards passed, raising suspicions of bribery. Once again, testing was exclusively done at the Navy Yard. Another suspicion was under-counting of targets at the Navy Yard, where guards were refused permission to check their own targets or to take them home. Also, in those days, if a guard failed the safety test, he was not told what he had done wrong.

After a female federal employee was stabbed to death in an EPA building in Crystal City VA, investigators learned that good suggestions from guards to improve security had been ignored, concluding that the guards were concientious. Nonetheless, FPS increased its inspections of the guards, saying it was because of the murder. No more was heard of FPS's failure to heed the suggestions of the guards.

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Do you actually have sources for any of this information??

It's pretty apparent that you have an ax to grind, some sources for these stories of abuse would be nice to see....

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I work on the Navy Yard, and I am a federal employee(2210 IT specialist in fact). The only thing I can verify is that its true that they turn the AC off at night and on weekends to save money, if you have to work in a room full of servers like me(development room so its not production and doesn't get the AC always on exemption) during off hours its god awful hot.

I'm a fed and we don't know how to boot our computers up so I never have that issue since our computers are usually off. But I tell you one of these days I'm going to figure out how to turn that thing on by myself. I'm tired of having to ask the security guards to operate these computers for me.
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I'm a fed and we don't know how to boot our computers up so I never have that issue since our computers are usually off. But I tell you one of these days I'm going to figure out how to turn that thing on by myself. I'm tired of having to ask the security guards to operate these computers for me.
...yeah. The more "rentacop" talks, the dumber he gets.

I don't know how in the world FPS could operate with so many sub-standard guards having to live up to ridiculously high expectations!
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As I indicated, some of this stuff happened to me, some happened in my presence, and some was is from reliable sources ( co-workers and friends it happened to, who I trust. )
Ask anybody from the D.C. area, who has worked on a federal guard contract and they'll assure nothing I've said is hard to believe.
Yes, I have a very big ax to grind. I'm tired of being victimized by these " public servants " and happy to hold them up to the light.
This week, in fact, 21 guards from more than one company shot the ICE course together and only 4 passed in two tries. Part of the reason was an FPS monitor who subtracted 15 points for an unsnapped mag pouch etc.
I once called OSHA to ask what the limits are for heat and cold on guard posts. The man who answered told me there are none, except if people are falling out from the heat. Federal buildings are exempt from OSHA enforcement anyway. Ask me about the polyester uniforms !

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I once called OSHA to ask what the limits are for heat and cold on guard posts. The man who answered told me there are none, except if people are falling out from the heat. Federal buildings are exempt from OSHA enforcement anyway.
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The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has authority to enter Navy facilities and issue citations when appropriate. Details of Navy citations may be viewed by clicking on the underlined numbers in the table below. Note: Private sector fine equivalents are included in the table for informational purposes only. OSHA does not impose fines on most Federal agencies, including the U.S. Navy.
You seem to really hate who you work for. Maybe you should make a change.
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I am looking for a new job. The contract I'm on is getting intolerable. I'd like to reveal it except that I am prohibited from discussing anything related to the security of the facility etc.

The issues here are not "me and my happiness" or the competence of federal employees or the misconduct of individual contract guards. What matters is FPS and its actions as an agency. That issue matters to everyone--- and my finding a job where I'm appreciated won't change FPS.

Note that your info on OSHA substantiates my statement that OSHA has no enforcement authority in federal buildings.
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They have no ability to fine most federal agencies, however they can report their findings. If you have a problem OSHA can come inspect the facility and any federal agency will correct the problem, they don't want to show up on either the news or on a Powerpoint slide that is shown to their bosses about their failure to correct OSHA violations.
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It is good to know that OSHA can be useful. I do know one building, however, where OSHA's advice was ignored in two cases.
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