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Old 08-01-2009, 02:46 PM   #1
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Here is the government safety test for handling Glocks. Can you pass it ?
Use dummy rounds. If you touch the trigger or point the muzzle incorrectly at any time, you fail.

1) "Pick up the gun." ( Pick it up, remove the magazine and check it visually and physically, locking it open . You are expected to check it without being told to do so. )

2) Load and holster. You must snap the holster.

3) Draw and demonstrate primary immediate action . ( tap/rack/re-assess )

4) Demonstrate secondary immediate action. ( Instructor sets up a double-feed. Rip/rack twice/reload with new mag/re-assess.)

5) Unload. ( rack twice and lock open )

6) Bench an empty gun. ( Set it down pointed downrange with ejection port up ).

If you guys already know the test, sorry to bore you, but if there are any new shooters here, they may find it of interest ( I hope ).

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Ummmm, well, whenever I handle TUPPERWARE, I try to wear the dishwashing gloves......


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Many holsters use velcro now. Strap is out to in. Perp thinks in to out so if a perp grabs the strap, perp can't work it. Snap the holster seems a little outdated for today's holsters. Also, I still can't figure why law enforcement chooses Glock over many other mfrs. The LEO's I know personally don't carry Glock as a backup. Just typing out loud.

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The test can be used with some other guns than Glock or can be modified to fit the attributes of other guns. I just think it provides a good framework for training people.

Here's the DA revolver test :
( use only dummy rounds, no live rounds in the room )

1) Pick up the gun ( check it by opening the cylinder without being told to ).

2) Load 6 and holster.

3) Demonstrate single-action fire.

4) Demonstrate double-action fire.

5) Cock and then demonstrate lowering the hammer on a live round. ( You must place your weak hand thumb ahead of the hammer, get control of the hammer with your strong hand thumb, touch the trigger and remove your trigger finger as soon as the hammer starts down under control, lower the hammer slowly against your thumb nail as you work your thumb out of the way. This alows the hammer block to do its job. )

7) Unload, counting the rounds and checking the cylinder, using the ejector rod.

8) Bench the gun. ( must point downrange ).

Any touching of the trigger when unnecessary or pointing other than downrange results in failure.

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are you saying that people have failed this test?

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Yes. People fail the safety test. FPS inspectors can be very picky. Typically, the FPS guy sits opposite the Company instructor, who administers the test. The guard being tested handles the gun between those two people. If he allows the muzzle to go a little to the side, he is accused of pointing it near one of the testers.
Common errors include pressing the slide lock by mistake instead of the magazine release, beginning a step before being told to, racking the slide the wrong number of times on a particular step, not pulling the slide back hard enough to eject the round when demonstrating primary immediate action, failing to check the gun without being told to do so when first picking it up and failing to say out loud, " Safe and clear " after checking and after unloading.
Efforts to make the guard nervous help increase the failure rate. Remember that these are not recreational shooters taking the test, at least in the D.C. area.

The revolver test trips up people who forget which is Single action and which is Double action. Many fail on lowering the hammer on a live round, often by leaving their finger on the trigger too long after the hammer starts down.

Unfair and abusive behavior by FPS is the rule rather than the exception. Complaints to their top officials accomplish nothing.

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To put this in perspective, canebrake, if you sat a federal employee in front of his office computer and ordered him to boot up, upload, download, demonstrate control/alt/delete and shut down, he'd never be able to do it.

Yet, they expect a contract guard, who handles a gun once a year, not to make one mistake on the safety test.
Also : I once told an instructor that I do not "check a gun every time I pick it up" because my personal gun is always loaded and I know it.

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To put this in perspective, canebrake, if you sat a federal employee in front of his office computer and ordered him to boot up, upload, download, demonstrate control/alt/delete and shut down, he'd never be able to do it.
...maybe a federal employee from 1970! The federal gov't is run on computers now days.

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Yet, they expect a contract guard, who handles a gun once a year, not to make one mistake on the safety test.
Also : I once told an instructor that I do not "check a gun every time I pick it up" because my personal gun is always loaded and I know it.
I don't expect ANY contract guard to handle a gun once a year. If they do, then I hope they fail... and get the boot. That's what chaps my ass about a lot of police officers!! They don't invest any of their own time or money to become proficient with firearms... yet, the public looks to them to be experts and they just aren't.

Look at SGT Miller... guess who pays for his range time, firearms, and ammo?? Not the friggin' gov't! HE does! I'd feel better about clearing a house with him than I would a lot of boys in blue!

As far as not checking your gun... that's a personal choice, but it's one of those things you just don't tell an instructor.
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The government may run on computers but I guarantee you the average federal employee is far more inept than the average guard and would blow a simple computer test.
The government authorities have not yet figured out that my system is better than theirs. Because of their phobias, they require guards to load and unload and stow away guns constantly, which means a guard can be caught unarmed at the beginning and end of a shift , and , of course when off-duty. Ammunition gets damaged and bullets get hammered back into cases from all of the racking and loading, which could cause a gun to blow up if fired.
By contrast, my personal defense gun is loaded and holstered all of the time, a safer system by far. So when they proclaim that you must check a gun every time you pick one up, I say , " No ". NOTE- Clint Smith advises everyone to check every day to make sure the gun is loaded, but I don't do that.

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