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Old 09-08-2013, 11:15 AM   #31
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Well I just got word my grandson just shot himself in his left hand while 'manipulating' his new Glock 23 Gen4!
The bullet passed through the lower part of the hand missing the metacarpal and it would appear the only permanent disability may be some nerve damage affecting his left little finger.
I live 900+ miles from him so I have no details about this.
When he got this gun I warned him to be VERY careful as Glocks are single actions without any active safeties. I hope he learns from his mistake.!!!
Oh my, thats terrible, so sorry to hear that. Its more shocking when we hear it happened with a gun, but just like any other accident, youve gotta be sharper than your tools or they will bite you, (Not saying you GS isnt smart but shooting ones-self with a gun by mistake doesnt show he's well versed in the safe handling of one).

That said, Ive drilled, sliced, diced and carved parts of my body through the years with lots of tools I underestimated (a razor knife being a repeat offender, oops). A gun wasnt one of them, I knew anything I shot with one died and that made me pretty self protective when I had one in my hands or was near one even as a child.

Im glad all he has is a numb finger and a little hurt pride, Im certain he will never do that again! Ouch!
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as Glocks are single actions without any active safeties.
Which is why I can't buy one, because, if I didn't like it, I could

never, in good conscience, ever sell it...
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Which is why I can't buy one, because, if I didn't like it, I could

never, in good conscience, ever sell it...
Let's get this straight for any uninitiated readers here :
Glocks are not single-action . They are " safe-action" . Their triggers are equipped with trigger safeties so they can't be fired by dragging something along the side of the trigger . The trigger is two-stage, including take-up and a final firing stage . As the trigger is pulled, the striker spring is compressed and released .
It is still fair to complain that a light trigger and no thumb safety or grip safety make the gun less safe . My best answer is to keep the Glock in a good holster so the trigger can't be pulled unless the gun is removed from the holster . Then, handle it carefully as soon as it clears leather .
Glocks are used by many police officers and security guards who've never fired a gun before taking the job . Even so, accidents are rare .
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Cooper said : " RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

All guns are always loaded - period!"

I disagree with you because I think trouble starts when you distinguish between loaded and unloaded guns . If I take your advice to check and then consider it unloaded, is it okay to dry snap at the ceiling ? Is it okay to peek down the barrel for obstructions ? Is it okay to point it at others during SWAT training ?
I checked it. It is unloaded. What could possibly go wrong ?
BTW- I hope you'll update us and fill in the details on your Grandson's mishap . Hope he has a full recovery .
Cooper was wrong. I do not work on loaded guns, do you?????
You don't train/teach adults by treating them like children!
Nuff said!
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Glocks are used by many police officers and security guards who've never fired a gun before taking the job .

How reassuring.



Even so, accidents are rare .


Compared to what?
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Let's get this straight for any uninitiated readers here :
Glocks are not single-action . They are " safe-action" . Their triggers are equipped with trigger safeties so they can't be fired by dragging something along the side of the trigger . The trigger is two-stage, including take-up and a final firing stage . As the trigger is pulled, the striker spring is compressed and released .
It is still fair to complain that a light trigger and no thumb safety or grip safety make the gun less safe . My best answer is to keep the Glock in a good holster so the trigger can't be pulled unless the gun is removed from the holster . Then, handle it carefully as soon as it clears leather .
Glocks are used by many police officers and security guards who've never fired a gun before taking the job . Even so, accidents are rare .
I think you need some 'reality therapy' to overcome this indoctrination by Cooper and Glock!!!
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So glad to hear he is ok and recovery is underway.

My belief...
There are no small accidental discharge events as all represent a bullet discharge at an unintended and unknown trajectory.
The outcome is always luck, as this is not a managed occurrence.

Simple habits of drop and clear while pointed down range and handling/handing off, and leaving on bench with slide locked open (among others) prevent this and should consistent practice whenever semi auto pistols are handled.

Plus 1 on the holster.....but then again, I own no handgun that I am comfortable with shovin' in my skivvies for more than the amount of time it takes me to make it to the outhouse....

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He is doing fine. Thank you all for your thoughts and prays! He is in a lot of pain (as he should be) but other than that he is fine. His dad had a certified Glock armorer inspect the gun and it got a clean bill of health as I knew it would.
The little smamart azz was one of those who would spout the arrogant Glock attitude by holding up his trigger finger and saying 'this is the only safety I need', boy was he wrong (as they all are)!

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He is doing fine. Thank you all for your thoughts and prays! He is in a lot of pain (as he should be) but other than that he is fine. His dad had a certified Glock armorer inspect the gun and it got a clean bill of health as I knew it would.
The little smamart azz was one of those who would spout the arrogant Glock attitude by holding up his trigger finger and saying 'this is the only safety I need', boy was he wrong (as they all are)!
So I guess you don't own any revolvers do you?
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So I guess you don't own any revolvers do you?
I sure do own several revolver, double action ones!! They are the safest handguns around. Some DAO autos like the 6953 run a close second!
If you are implying any similarity of a glock to a double action revolver you need to come back to reality and learn some common sense!!
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