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Centurian22 07-21-2012 01:03 AM

Learning from the CO tragedy.
 
In light of the recent tragedy in CO I have a few questions.

For anyone unaware of what I'm talking about:
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Gu...do-3723477.php

So based on the info of it being during a movie, presumably without warning or alarm a BG enters theater from the back with a S&W AR-15, Remington Shotgun, and Glock (info from article) and lets loose after releasing some form of gas / smoke can: I would really like to hear input and ideas from anyone, particularly those who carry (open or concealed) how you would address this situation? Assume no kids, but significant other is there with you. Has or will this event change anything you do, not going to late night shows, sitting in a particular area you wouldn't have sat before? If easy and safe egress to escape is not an option do you stay down and covered with your loved one while innocents die around you, or do you attempt to gain an angle to end the threat? My mind races with possibilities just as I attempt to put myself in this situation.

Looking forward to positive, helpful input that could lead to training and the potential for us all to be able to better protect ourselves and potentially other innocents if presented with a similar situation.

okdonk 07-21-2012 01:20 AM

I will try my best to protect my loved ones.. by asking them to lay down flat between the seat rows, using seats as covers. Slowly pull out my gun, locate the target safely and end the threat in any possible ways. Well theory is easy to say.. in reality we never know. I might panic, nervous and etc. But for sure i have to protect my loved ones if they are with me.

canebrake 07-21-2012 02:04 AM

Validates my decision to carry everywhere!

vincent 07-21-2012 02:13 AM

Concealed is concealed, nobody will be any the wiser until (God help us) you have to use it...and if you do, do you really think you'll be reprimanded for it? (assuming tragedy was averted)

The worst thing that can happen is you are asked to leave if...IF you are discovered which brings me back to the first point...concealed is concealed...

hiwall 07-21-2012 02:22 AM

In this instance it would not matter if you were packin or not. Very low light conditions, unless you were very close you most likely could not see the shooter or if you did see him, be able to safely fire in the crowded area, smoke/tear gas reducing visibility even more, people running screaming all around you, possible shooting/explosions and screaming still going on in the movie making it hard to locate the shooter or even know how many shooters there were. I would say a very bad scenario. Depending on how it was set-up you might want to lay on the seats instead of the floor as bullets would most likely be skidding along the floor. I think I'll just wait for the DVD.

okdonk 07-21-2012 02:34 AM

I'll wait for the Bluray ;)

c3shooter 07-21-2012 02:41 AM

Would push family down or to exit, depending on where we were in layout. Too many variables to give a simple answer- but the one thing that makes people quit shooting at you faster than anything else is to shoot them. As far as visibility, yes smoke and dark will make that a bitch- but his muzzle flash will light him up pretty good in the dark.

Centurian22 07-21-2012 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincent
...and if you do, do you really think you'll be reprimanded for it? (assuming tragedy was averted)
...

Unfortunately I ABSOLUTELY believe that you will be reprimanded for it in today's messed up world!

See example:

http://www.wibc.com/news/Story.aspx?ID=1741886

Guy lost his job and potentially faces civil lawsuit, or at the very minimum being dragged into the case involving his employer because he stopped a threat and averted a tragedy!

Or look at the case from a few months ago of a woman who's life was saved when a cop shot a BG in the head who was holding her hostage with a knife to her neck in a mall. Now she is suing the town / police dept for "dramatizing" her. No that's not a typo, that is how it was spelled in the papers she filed.

It seems to be more and more common that "No good deed goes un-punished"!

Axxe55 07-21-2012 03:02 AM

well first and foremost my priority would be my loved ones safety. i say this because their safety is my first concern and i am not paid to go after BG's. in a dark, and possibly smoke filled room, loud noises and flashes of light, i think it could be hard to acertain where the BG was and trying to shoot him could have me shooting and innocent person instead. i would personally only return fire if i knew for a certain fact that it was the BG i was shooting. but i would try to also keep my loved ones as low as possible while trying to move them towards an exit to safety.

c3shooter 07-21-2012 03:18 AM

Some food for thought- Not a theater, but the shooting at the church in Colorado Springs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings


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