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Old 07-27-2013, 12:32 PM   #71
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Amen! Yeager needs to stick with airplanes and leave the gun stuff to those of us who 'live' it everyday!!!

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Back to the topic,

IMHO, 45 is to large a diameter to stack ammo in a magazine and come up with higher capacity numbers. In a gun fight, capacity is often times a deciding factor of who lives and who dies.

IMHO, 9mm is better than 45 because of increased capacity, but I think there are other possible ways to achieve stopping power and evaluate capacity.

To rule out 10mm, .40 S&W, and .357 sig because it is harder on equipment or harder to shoot fast, seems a little off into the realm of opinion.

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IMHO, 45 is to large a diameter to stack ammo in a magazine and come up with higher capacity numbers. In a gun fight, capacity is often times a deciding factor of who lives and who dies.

IMHO, 9mm is better than 45 because of increased capacity, but I think there are other possible ways to achieve stopping power and evaluate capacity.

To rule out 10mm, .40 S&W, and .357 sig because it is harder on equipment or harder to shoot fast, seems a little off into the realm of opinion.
I'm guessing that statement depends greatly on the participants. Citation please.
Assuming one isn't kicking down doors in some third world hell hole or serving high risk warrants in gang neighborhoods, I would be very surprised if the typical LAC fires more than the often cited 2 to 3 rounds in an encounter. If this stat has changed, I'd like to see the data.
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Here's what I tell people:
Anything .22 or bigger is suitable for self defense.
Even a .25 can kill, but it is unlikely to produce a one-shot-stop.
I'm tired of peeps online sayin "anything below .45/.40/.44 isn't suitable for self defense."
The goal is to stop a threat, not blast someone's chest cavity out in one shot.

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I'm guessing that statement depends greatly on the participants. Citation please.
Assuming one isn't kicking down doors in some third world hell hole or serving high risk warrants in gang neighborhoods, I would be very surprised if the typical LAC fires more than the often cited 2 to 3 rounds in an encounter. If this stat has changed, I'd like to see the data.
Calling for data somehow does what?

How about listening to the streets. 100,000 gang members on one US city alone.

What city is the world leader for kidnapping? Phoenix Arizona.


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I kinda doubt Phoenix has anything on Mexico City or Cartagena, with respect to kidnapping, but I could be wrong.

I know Chicago kills more Americans than Afghanistan does, but we also spend a lot more money protecting the Americans in Afghanistan than we do the ones in Chicago and very few of the Americans in Afghanistan are unarmed.

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Well, this only goes to show Yeager doesn's know poop from shinola.

I was out at Asymmetric Solutions yesterday and one of their instructors, a former Vietnam era Navy Seal, long time civilian SWAT team member, told me that he has had a long running bet with a buddy to see who has to clean their Glock first.

He has a Glock 22 he bought in 1991 and...has not yet cleaned it and has 40,000 rounds through it.

So much for Yeager's stupid theories, ideas and claims.

The guy is a poser.

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