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Old 06-26-2013, 05:35 AM   #51
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years ago the 9mm had a bad rap in SD and police shootings However with the new crop of defensive loads out there the 9mm is a viable round as is the 357Sig, .40 and 45. Personally I do not shoot Glocks as I prefer Sigs having a 220 .45, 226 .40/357Sig and a 228 9mm. The 226 357Sig is my primary carry weapon.
However the one shooting I was involved in the 110gr Federal +P+ 38 special performed flawlessly and put the subject trying to kill me with one well placed shot. Slug provided by coroners office.
Armsmaster, where did you hit him?

Obviously you can't go back in time, but in your opinion would it have made any difference if you hit him with a standard .38 Special or a hot loaded .38 Special?
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:44 AM   #52
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It is a Yeager thread, as much as a caliber thread, though that was not my intent.

With the.sternness of the objections to this guy, and me noticing his odd movements on camera, I got curious about him, and went and watched a dozen or so of his videos.

First off, I would say as a trainer, he runs a successful business. Have to give him that.

Also his knowledge and commitment to his daily grind is impressive.

The shakes, and itching, I think may go to his body building and workout routine. Guessing he is pretty juiced up from products at GNC to support his five day gym habit. His older videos, he was heavier, and round in the face.

He looks twenty years younger now than he did five years ago. I should follow him around in the gym, so I could shed some pounds.

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Sorry James, I purchased a newer G20, Gen 3. I looked at a 9mm, pretty hard, carry one as a back up gun on my leg, but for first defense, hard to find fault with 10mm.

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Armsmaster, where did you hit him?

Obviously you can't go back in time, but in your opinion would it have made any difference if you hit him with a standard .38 Special or a hot loaded .38 Special?
As to question 1





As to question 2

I wouldn't know if it made a difference but I wouldn't have had any other round.
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What does a 40 have that a 9mm doesn't?

How about availability...

I can find 40 ammo with little effort, 9mm is another story.

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In my opinion, the caliber argument has been beat to death. If you have a .22 or a .45 it will make absolutely no difference if you miss your target......period. Some people won't be able to handle the larger caliber, so why would they want one and be ineffective in a life or death situation?
I think a person who wants the carry gun should get a gun they will use...they will practice with and be comfortable with. If that's a .380, a 9mm a .45 or a .44 magnum it will be their choice and it's up to them to become as good as they can with it. Missing with a .22 or a .45 has the exact same result.

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Some horses just won't die, ScottA. This one requires more flogging.

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Yeager's issue with the .40 and .357 Sig is it's too hot for the 9mm platform it's based on. Sooner or later, parts will fail regardless which polymer gun is used. These findings are based on his experience in his classes. Not defending him, but the only difference between Yeager and a lot of guys on this forum is he's got a You Tube channel. Look thru the threads here. Guys are just as opinionated, every bit as sure their pistol choice is the best and anyone who doesn't agree is a dead man/woman walking. Just sayin..........
You hit it right on the head. The word i use is "snarky" lol God forbid someone new to firearms has an opinion or gets some terminology wrong.
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Guns & Ammo has taken a new stance on the big caliber debate:

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2012/10/23/size-doesnt-matter-using-9mm-for-personal-defense/

It seems that bullet technology has advanced to the point where it is no longer necessary to start with a huge bullet to cause the appropriate damage. In the article, a poll of gun writers and SWAT officers show they choose to carry higher capacity 9mm to keep them in the fight longer and get shots off faster due to lower recoil. The writer admits that this is a relatively new phenomenon from the last decade.

Gun people are some of the worst about accepting new technology and relying on sayings that are decades, if not centuries, old. SWAT members bet their life on their equipment and they are choosing 9mm with a high capacity. It might be worth re-examining one's beliefs and determining if it lives up to current reality.

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