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theferg2000 11-11-2010 10:48 PM

How safe is this really?
 
I just saw a video on google where the guy is teaching how to handle yourself in a struggle for a gun (cqc). He recommends grabbing the hand gun in a manner so that it will not cycle. Seems like to practice something like this, you would need to do it with live ammo and really fire (BTW i do not plan on practicing it anyway). Just seems VERY dangerous to be showing as a training suggestion. What you you think?

here is the video. (it is about a minute long)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5116628615777591572#docid=39473776 11560206823

Rick1967 11-11-2010 11:47 PM

Looks like a good way to put a bullet through your forearm.

theferg2000 11-11-2010 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick1967 (Post 384747)
Looks like a good way to put a bullet through your forearm.

I am really trying to start studying more technique, and get more training, but this one was a little strange to me. What about just tearing up your hand by doing it? I don't remember what he was testing, but what would a .45 do to your hand, even if you did not shoot yourself? This seems like a good way to AT BEST tear your hand up pretty good.

PTsouthpaw 11-12-2010 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick1967 (Post 384747)
Looks like a good way to put a bullet through your forearm.

My thoughts exactly.

Nothing you will find me doing.

CourtJester 11-12-2010 12:28 AM

bad knowledge is better than no knowledge at all.

sarge_257 11-12-2010 02:50 AM

Grabbing gun
 
In all the police academies I have attended and successfully graduated from I have never seen this taught.(3 academies)
I have seen references to stopping the cylinder on a revolver from turning if one shot has been fired and the gun not recocked. The US Army told us that if you pushed back on the slide the gun(Colt Mdl. 1911) would not fire because the disconnect would be activated. No one volunteered to demonstrate.
In police academies we are trained to knock the gun from a offenders hand if we are unarmed or do not have time to draw our own weapon. You always hit the back of their hand because that allows the gun to fly out of the open side of the hand.
Sarge

IGETEVEN 11-12-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by theferg2000 (Post 384711)
Seems like to practice something like this, you would need to do it with live ammo and really fire (BTW i do not plan on practicing it anyway). Just seems VERY dangerous to be showing as a training suggestion. What you you think?

I think the video is very amateurish and dangerous. Disarming someone with a loaded gun pointed at you using only your hands requires serious training, confidence, and multi-scenario practice and follow through.

Disarming someone with a gun by using an extension weapon, such as a baton, stick, bat or sword, also requires serious training and practice.

Krav Maga

Warning:
Do not attempt this gun disarming defense technique without hours and hours, if not years, of proper instruction and training.


theferg2000 11-12-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IGETEVEN (Post 384973)
Krav Maga

Warning:
Do not attempt this gun disarming defense technique without hours and hours, if not years, of proper instruction and training.

Interesting video, and well done as he tells you give up your stuff, only do it when you are going to loose your life. The one i posted seems to really be setting up someone for a BAD accident, or a good idea for a dare for kids. Acts like it is no big deal.

Are you a Krav Maga Guy? My son and i are doing Muay Thai together, but my brother has really gotten into Krav Maga, and he loves it and says it is the greatest. I know for my son (7) it is a bit intense - dont want any crippled first grade bullies in his class, but i am very interested in it, but only watched videos online.

dunerunner 11-12-2010 05:42 PM

These types of incidents are life and death situations. You are either going to win or the BG is going to win. I am not going to just stand there and wait for the perp to shoot me.

I watched an interesting clip on Personal Defense last night where Massad Ayoob demonstrated trapping the opponents weapon as they are trying to draw from a holster. It too would take practice, but much quicker than trying to out draw them with your own weapon.

theferg2000 11-12-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dunerunner (Post 385078)
I watched an interesting clip on Personal Defense last night where Massad Ayoob demonstrated trapping the opponents weapon as they are trying to draw from a holster. It too would take practice, but much quicker than trying to out draw them with your own weapon.


Do you remember the link? Post it if you have it handy. I would like to take a look.


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