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Old 04-20-2014, 05:20 PM   #31
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I have seen idiots on the range look down the barrel of a handgun when it went click no bang...

I think this is the true cause of some of the weird range suicides we read about. Idiot goes to a range and shoots self. Click look bang.

I asked one of these idiots once what he expected to see... he said and I quote "I dunno....". I guess they just looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.
I would go crazy on anyone I saw looking down the barrel of their firearm.


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I would go crazy on anyone I saw looking down the barrel of their firearm.
Yup me too. At the very least I would shout "don't do that!"

Then I would recite the enumerated most important gun rules to them:

#1 - always treat a gun as if it is loaded even if it is not

#2 - never point a gun at anything/anyone that you do not intend to kill

#3 - keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot

#4 - know your target, it's backstop, and everything around and between you and the target before shooting

#5 - always keep the muzzle pointed downrange.

There are lots more, dozens, but these first one pretty much cover the situation with #1, #2, and #5.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but a 'hang fire' is a 'miss fire' that, after a short time, goes 'bang'???
So the real question here how do you handle a miss fire is it not????
I was always taught, and I currently teach, if you have a miss fire keep the firearm pointed down range and wait at least 30 seconds. If at that point the 'miss fire' has not became a 'hang fire' you should use the second strike if that is an option, if not eject the round.
Is this not what you have been taught???

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Correct me if I am wrong, but a 'hang fire' is a 'miss fire' that, after a short time, goes 'bang'???
So the real question here how do you handle a miss fire is it not????
I was always taught, and I currently teach, if you have a miss fire keep the firearm pointed down range and wait at least 30 seconds. If at that point the 'miss fire' has not became a 'hang fire' you should use the second strike if that is an option, if not eject the round.
Is this not what you have been taught???
Yes, but I was always told 1 minute. Opinions vary, apparently. Fortunately I've found such issues to be quite rare.
Regardless of time allotted, I think it can be safely stated that no good will ever come from trying to look down the barrel.
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Y'all forgot the step requiring lots of quiet cursing.

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Ummm.... why quiet? Everyone around is supposed to be wearing hearing protection, right?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but a 'hang fire' is a 'miss fire' that, after a short time, goes 'bang'???
So the real question here how do you handle a miss fire is it not????
I was always taught, and I currently teach, if you have a miss fire keep the firearm pointed down range and wait at least 30 seconds. If at that point the 'miss fire' has not became a 'hang fire' you should use the second strike if that is an option, if not eject the round.
Is this not what you have been taught???
You are correct. A hang fire is a miss fire that goes bang after a while. I've heard 30 seconds or 1 minute from different people. I've heard about using second strike if possible and ejecting the round if not.

But I've never, ever, not once, heard of looking down the barrel as part of the procedure.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but a 'hang fire' is a 'miss fire' that, after a short time, goes 'bang'???
So the real question here how do you handle a miss fire is it not????
I was always taught, and I currently teach, if you have a miss fire keep the firearm pointed down range and wait at least 30 seconds. If at that point the 'miss fire' has not became a 'hang fire' you should use the second strike if that is an option, if not eject the round.
Is this not what you have been taught???
Yes... Well... Sort of.

On one hand, the Army was teaching the exact misfire procedures you described above. On the other hand they preach to "train as you fight" and drill to clear stoppages as quickly as possible.

The contradiction in training caused a buddy to loose all vision in his right eye when a misfire "cooked off" in a very hot M60 on the live fire range.

He moved to immediately clear the malfunction, pulled the charging handle to the rear, popped the feed tray cover, lifted the feed tray... And BANG! Hot brass shards to the face.

Army began issuing machine gunners clear Gargoyles shortly after.

I know... Big difference between a fire fight and plinking but most of the errors I see with guys immediately clearing Misfires are committed by LEO's and vets... Have to think the training is working against us on this one.

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