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kdog 01-31-2009 06:41 AM

How many round at what distance
 
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Hi guys,

just curios here.
How many rounds do you fire on average during a visit to the range and at what distance?

Since we mostly have fixed distances on our ranges (exept at the rifle range), we shoot at 25m. (the person on the right on lane 9 is me......). I generaly fire 75 to 100 rounds per session. Depends on how I feel and how I hit the target.

At the moment it mainly depends on the temperature.
Thurseday it was bloody cold at the range. Indoor and no heating turned on. The entire range was cooled out drastically. I could hardly hold the pistol jitter free.

canebrake 01-31-2009 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kdog (Post 67015)
Hi guys, just curios here.How many rounds do you fire on average during a visit to the range and at what distance? Since we mostly have fixed distances on our ranges (except at the rifle range), we shoot at 25m. (the person on the right on lane 9 is me......). I generaly fire 75 to 100 rounds per session. Depends on how I feel and how I hit the target. At the moment it mainly depends on the temperature.
Thursday it was bloody cold at the range. Indoor and no heating turned on. The entire range was cooled out drastically. I could hardly hold the pistol jitter free.

Why not ask for world peace?? :o

There are so many variables that we could answer for ever!

OK. my typical handgun range visit;

Regardless of what my mag capacity is, I load all my range mags with 5 rds.

Using 8-10 mags, I will mix five A-Zoom snap caps randomly in the mix. (Great for trigger/flinch control)

My 1911 3" Colt Defender carry, chambered in .45 ACP is shot at CQB distance (4M or ~12.5') at 5.5" orange peal targets for the majority of the range time.
This is a minimum of 100 rds.

50 rds are then shot using 8" orange peals @ 2xCQB or 25'.

~10 rds are wasted at 50' using the same 8" targets from the last range visit. :D

I then hang a full body target @ CQB distance for point shooting. This is a minimum of 50 rds. This is the practice that will save your life!!!!!

For carry confidence you should do this 2 x month.

Every 4 months I shoot my carry +P ammo (usually 2 mags, maybe 3) to turn over the vintage ammo.

My typical long gun range visit (7.62x39 SUR);

100-200 rds using my 2-eye reflex red dot @ 25 & 50 yds. Then I switch to the scope.

200 rds @ 100yds to confirm my optics are set.

This is done at minimum once a month. More often depending on disposal income and ammo cost.

cpttango30 01-31-2009 10:39 PM

If I am shooting my 308 or 30-06 then it is less than 100, 223 is 50 to 100 if it is a rimfire day then I do my best to eat up $13 worth of ammo (IE 1 550 round federal bulk box). IF it is my 1911 then it is about 200 to 250 rounds.

Cnynrat 02-01-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by canebrake (Post 67019)

~10 rds are wasted at 50' using the same 8" targets from the last range visit. :D

That makes me feel better - glad I'm not alone on this one. ;)

Seriously, sounds like you have a good routine, and I picked up a few good ideas to improve my own practice time.

dnthmn2004 02-01-2009 02:32 PM

Canebrake, you summed it up pretty good. I like going to the range about twice a month with my handguns and once a month with my rifles.

I feel that I am very lucky to have an outdoor range. Its located in my very small, democratic, home town. I usually go early afternoon during the week. So far, I have been fortunate enough to be the ONLY person at the range every time I go! If I didn't know better, I'd say it was my own personal shooting range.:p

M&P 40: 100-200 rounds at 25 and 15 yards, point shooting at 5 yards. Snapcaps randomly loaded in 6 mags, chosen at random. I am also guilty of wasting ammo at 50 yards now and then.:D

Walther P22: I shoot it until I get my fix, usually a brick of WWB, mostly doing drills. Good for practicing weak-hand shooting.

Remington 870 12 gauge: 20-40 rounds @ 25 yards or less doing home defense drills.

Remington 700, 270 Winchester: 20-40 rounds. I only shoot one distance per visit, either 100, 150, or 200 yards.

Savage 93R17: 50 rounds @ 100 yards.

Remington 514: Until I run out of targets to shoot. (did you know the word 'targets' is typed with the left hand only?

c3shooter 02-01-2009 02:58 PM

For handgun- the answer is the same as the answer to ALL the questions on the state bar exam- "That all depends!"

Some days I am sitting on the 100 yd line with a VERY long barreled revolver- 50 rounds, slow fire takes a L O N G time. I usually take my carry weapon to the 7 yd line, and run thru at least 2 mags once a week. Some days I may do strong hand/weak hand/malfunction drill and go thru 100-200 rounds. Some days I take along a .22, and run thru a few boxes of 22 LR on the 25 yd line, just for grins and giggles.

I usually make a weekly trip to the range. If the weather is really crappy, I have some of the Speer plastic indoor target loads (plastic cartridge, plastic bullet, no powder, primer only) and I can shoot in my garage (carboard box stuffed with shredded newspaper)

Some days I may be there 30 minutes, somedays, I pack a lunch.

canebrake 02-01-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cnynrat (Post 67262)
That makes me feel better - glad I'm not alone on this one. Seriously, sounds like you have a good routine, and I picked up a few good ideas to improve my own practice time.

Thanks, glad we could help. :p I keep telling Mrs. Cane Iím doing a public service here but I donít think sheís buying it. :(

Youíre in the majority concerning carry gun accuracy at > 2 x CQB distances. (Any distance greater than double digit meters/yards.) Oh Iím going to get some sh1t for that statement (matt-g) but itís true for the most of us. It's true and rightly so, itís the wrong tool for distance shooting. I have other handguns in my arsenal that perform well, with me at the trigger showing off my (and maintaining my manhood-damn that Testosterone!) long range skills. Get over it, weíre not blessed with the natural talent required or the $ needed to improve the skill. In real life sh1t happens real close in, if you have a shot at greater than CQB distances, chances are the BG is running away from you and you have no business chasing him with lead. Spend the time mentally recording a good description of the BG to pass on to 911 and let the LEOís do the cleanup duty.

Work on the CQB distance (4M or ~12.5í) until youíre really good, real deadly good. Also work on the 2 x CQB distance of ~25í until your good. Both will build carry-confidence and serve you well, as in save-your-life well!


In today's economy, I considered eliminating the rounds spent at the longer distance. Then I looked at it from another angle. It is very sobering (to me) experiencing the worthlessness of tossing carry-gun (3Ē Colt for me) lead down-range at distance. The sobering aspect is that the bullet is no less lethal, but certainly far less discriminate. This lack of control on the part of the shooter opens you up to a BIG truck load of liabilities. These are unnecessary liabilities, because it can be eliminated 100% by the shooter stopping the pulling of the trigger.

Be safe out there and use your most powerful weapon first, your brain!

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canebrake 02-01-2009 05:46 PM

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I am also guilty of wasting ammo at 50 yards now and then.

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Originally Posted by dnthmn2004 (Post 67266)
Good for practicing weak-hand shooting.

I didn't mention this drill earlier because I rarely run it! MY BAD, this drill must be run every range trip! It's that important!
It doesn't need to consume a lot of time or ammo, it just need to be done so the first time you need to call on the skill, it isn't the first time you practice it!

Try this; mentally or physically disable (put your hand in your pocket) your strong-side. Do, with your weak-side, at least one draw and shoot from your normal carry position. Also do a weak-side reload (mag or speed loader) and cock (rack/release slide on SAs) expending a second series of shots. I do a total/minimum of 10 rounds for the weak side drill. (When I do it. :o)

Another important drill I omitted from my earlier post is the tactical reload. This one is more a mind-set but still requires some muscle-memory training. The training is required because it happens during the most adrenaline heightened period you will ever experience and must happen during the co-processing of a multitude of other critical actions!
In a personal defense shooting, action is intense and usually over quickly, very quickly. It's usually over in just a few seconds, and what you do during this moment are as important as what you have already done! A good analogy would be the eye of a hurricane, the calm following enormous energy expenditure with the anticipation of round two starting soon! What you do during this calm will determine how you will fare in round two. How many shots did you take? You will NOT know, trust me on this one and waste no time determining the readiness of your weapon. With full attention on the downed Tangoís hands, (hands kill, everything else is distraction) determine if he is still a threat? Do not move your weapon from the ready position, start to move towards the BG with the intention of kicking his weapon out of reach. With the weak-side hand purchase, with your thumb and index finger, your back-up mag and bring it to the gun. As you visually keep the Tango in check and clear the area for other hostiles, release the partially-spent mag, catching it with the remaining fingers and insert the fresh mag. Put the used mag in your pocket, NOT the mag pouch to avoid a reload thinking its fresh but keeping it available if needed.


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..did you know the word 'targets' is typed with the left hand only?

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ScottG 02-01-2009 07:34 PM

With the .22s I just shoot until I'm tired of it. I don't count. I'm shooting in the desert at this time because the outdoor ranges are private or too far away. I don't care for indoor ranges.

I generally set the targets for my large bores at 100 yards, handguns and .22s at 25. Targets are regular bullseye for handguns and silhouettes for rifles. I use soda cans or clays for the smallbores.

Maybe one or two boxes for the handguns and one box for the rifles. The M1 gets about three clips and that's it. I don't want to over shoot it. That will be my main "stinking hippy so******t obamabot" medicine dispenser....

cbw 02-01-2009 07:49 PM

I try to shoot 50 rounds through the 9mm and 50 through the EMP 40. By then I'm tired and my shoulders hurt. You younger guys must have more money and for sure more energy than some of us seniors.


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