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Old 07-10-2013, 04:26 PM   #31
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I was hovering on the like button all the way up to your last sentence. You have no idea how much I wish you hadn't put that in there. Other than that, it was a good post. Well done.
Why? It's true. Handguns are made for killing people, that's it. They certainly do not create ppl..
Call it PD, HD whatever, in the end they are made for killing, all guns are. Not mentioning the truth because gun grabbers might hear you an say 'see look they know' is more ignorant then the bs they drum to strip our rights.

To explain to gun grabbers that 2A is not about hunting but protecting ppl from tyranny, then in the next breath deny guns aren't made for killing.. Well.. Get real please.
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[QUOTE=mahall;1300342]And your point to all this ramble??QUOTE]

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Why? It's true. Handguns are made for killing people, that's it. They certainly do not create ppl..
Call it PD, HD whatever, in the end they are made for killing, all guns are. Not mentioning the truth because gun grabbers might hear you an say 'see look they know' is more ignorant then the bs they drum to strip our rights.

To explain to gun grabbers that 2A is not about hunting but protecting ppl from tyranny, then in the next breath deny guns aren't made for killing.. Well.. Get real please.
It isn't that I disagree with you, but there are other uses for firearms such as target competitions. It's just that you had a great post going and then you skunked it up with the killing comment.
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From an LEO viewpoint, a first round blank has SOME voracity. LE chases bad guys. LE goes in to the $hit storm. About 20 years ago I was carrying a 4" S&W .41 Mag (M-657) as a duty weapon. I had already made the transition to a Semi-auto, but had to send my holster in for repairs. I chased a stolen truck til the driver crashed and bailed. SHort foot chase ensued with him having a clear lead. I "accidentally on purpose" cranked off a shot down into the ground next to me. The BG stopped dead in his tracks and walked back to me, surrendering.

This got me to thinking, could a "warning shot" have some validity? For LE, I believe the answer is yes, it COULD. As a result of this incident, we changed the policy to read "warning shots are generally not recommended".

For a civilian who probably will not be chasing bad guys around, warning shots are generally a bad idea. A firearm is a DEADLY weapon. Any civilian use in a non-deadly manner is very likely to open a can of worms that will just make a mess.

Not to mention the problem that such blank ammo will not cycle a semi-auto pistol forcing one to manually exetract/eject the blank and chamber a live round to continue.
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IF one found a reason this would be a good idea, it would necessitate a training regime involving draw shoot (blank), rack, shoot (live) til threat is neutralized.

This is VERY likely to lead to a situation under stress where the shooter ejects a live round after each shot, cutting the magazine capacity in half
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How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?

For concealed carry, how about keeping a very hot blank round as your one in the pipe ammo?

Pros:

1: Makes Glock Leg (1911, any handgun) much less a threat to life and limb should the unfortunate event of a Negligent Discharge occur.

2: A warning shot, may very well stop the threat. One real round hitting an attacker, will only make the bad guy more angry that he got shot, and continue the attack. A blank (miss) may turn him around, thinking this guy is shooting at me, and I want to get away unhurt.

3: If the attack is too close and eminent for a warning shot, a blank round to the face will stop an attacker just as well as a bullet, and is just as likely to kill them as a real traditional bullet.

4: In court, after the attack, a warning blank, would be a good thing, showing deadly force was not your intent, you only wished to stop the attack.

Cons:

(you fill this part in)

(to let you know I am serous, I just ordered blanks http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/34618 )

"Used by military re-enactors, in ceremonies, for training exercises, in theatrical productions and hunting dog training, blank ammunition provides the report and realism of conventional ammunition without the projectile. "
Decent strategy for yourself if you ask me. But what if I stop him, he goes to jail, then he's found to be rehabilitated (when he isn't), and he becomes a home invader? If he hasn't already done that...
And he sees a defenseless girl he's physically attracted to...
After that, use your imagination as to what you could have prevented. I would rather live with a heavy conscious of killing someone, instead of having allowed that to happen to someone.
Oh I do believe I'd kill the $#!t out of someone that's willing to do that
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Decent strategy for yourself if you ask me.
Great response, but you could've stopped right here!
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It isn't that I disagree with you, but there are other uses for firearms such as target competitions. It's just that you had a great post going and then you skunked it up with the killing comment.
Gotcha! Sorry didn't mean to jump you on that one! I agree and I didn't take your full meaning
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How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?
Seriously? Am I the only one to see the problem here?

Officer: "What possible reason would you have to carry with a blank in the chamber?"

AR10: "Um, Well. It is my 'rattlesnake defense strategy' Officer."

Officer: "Damn. That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Tell me honestly, how often have you confronted a rattlesnake around here?"

AR10: "Umm (kicks dirt) Well, honestly? Never."

Officer: "You need to think up a new strategy."
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