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AR10 07-09-2013 06:32 PM

How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?
 
How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?

For concealed carry, how about keeping a very hot blank round as your one in the pipe ammo?

Pros:

1: Makes Glock Leg (1911, any handgun) much less a threat to life and limb should the unfortunate event of a Negligent Discharge occur.

2: A warning shot, may very well stop the threat. One real round hitting an attacker, will only make the bad guy more angry that he got shot, and continue the attack. A blank (miss) may turn him around, thinking this guy is shooting at me, and I want to get away unhurt.

3: If the attack is too close and eminent for a warning shot, a blank round to the face will stop an attacker just as well as a bullet, and is just as likely to kill them as a real traditional bullet.

4: In court, after the attack, a warning blank, would be a good thing, showing deadly force was not your intent, you only wished to stop the attack.

Cons:

(you fill this part in)

(to let you know I am serous, I just ordered blanks http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/34618 )

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"Used by military re-enactors, in ceremonies, for training exercises, in theatrical productions and hunting dog training, blank ammunition provides the report and realism of conventional ammunition without the projectile. "

deadsp0t 07-09-2013 06:41 PM

All good points and valid, but I see this heading down the path of ifs and buts.. So I'll start, if you're caught or end up in a real exchange of gun Fire the the most important con will the seemingly wasted space in your mag and the critical 1st shot.. Interesting concept though.

orangello 07-09-2013 06:57 PM

Will those blanks cycle reliably in your carry piece? Would a "warning shot" be considered an "illegal discharge" in your area; you were not "in mortal fear of your attacker".

Maybe a first round loaded with pellets, but not a total blank...

danf_fl 07-09-2013 07:18 PM

If I have to pull out my firearm to stop a threat, then I want keep a promise that the firearm is loaded and not make a "blank" threat on my part

vincent 07-09-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangello (Post 1299627)
Will those blanks cycle reliably in your carry piece? Would a "warning shot" be considered an "illegal discharge" in your area; you were not "in mortal fear of your attacker".

Maybe a first round loaded with pellets, but not a total blank...

Maybe this is a grey area of the law?

Since it's a blank, nothing is actually being discharged...('cept for some hot gas)...I dunno...:confused:

Can definitely see the advantages in a trial that you mentioned, as we have seen several times in SD cases when JHP's are used, they are usually picked at by an overly enthusiastic DA, saying since the gun was loaded with them, you INTENDED to cause grave injury...and other such asshattery...

Interesting idea nonetheless...

I'm just gonna stick with what I have now...:cool:

g23shooter 07-09-2013 07:31 PM

This sounds like a really bad Idea that could have terrible consequences for the one that carries the blanks. If you are unable to justify using deadly force in defense of yourself or a loved one, don't carry.

The1Monster 07-09-2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)
How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?

For concealed carry, how about keeping a very hot blank round as your one in the pipe ammo?

Pros:

1: Makes Glock Leg (1911, any handgun) much less a threat to life and limb should the unfortunate event of a Negligent Discharge occur.

The only good point I see, but this can't be used as an excuse to become complacent with firearm safety. And if a person can't trust themselves with live ammo....
Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)
2: A warning shot, may very well stop the threat. One real round hitting an attacker, will only make the bad guy more angry that he got shot, and continue the attack. A blank (miss) may turn him around, thinking this guy is shooting at me, and I want to get away unhurt.

Just makes no sense to me that a loud bang would deter someone, and a searing hot slug of metal slamming into someone's chest would infuriate them into further violence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)
3: If the attack is too close and eminent for a warning shot, a blank round to the face will stop an attacker just as well as a bullet, and is just as likely to kill them as a real traditional bullet.

The idea of planning for this outcome smacks of cruel intentions. No need to help prosecutors.


Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)
4: In court, after the attack, a warning blank, would be a good thing, showing deadly force was not your intent, you only wished to stop the attack.

It's generally held, and required by law in many stand your ground states that you have to fear for your life to use a firearm in self defense. Using less than lethal force doesn't sound to me like a defender is truly in fear for their life and limbs. A good prosecutor would probably take that sentiment and run it all the way to ground.
Cons: interspersed. Just don't seem like a great idea to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)

(to let you know I am serous, I just ordered blanks http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/34618 )

"Used by military re-enactors, in ceremonies, for training exercises, in theatrical productions and hunting dog training, blank ammunition provides the report and realism of conventional ammunition without the projectile. "


HighSpeed 07-09-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangello
Will those blanks cycle reliably in your carry piece? Would a "warning shot" be considered an "illegal discharge" in your area; you were not "in mortal fear of your attacker".

Maybe a first round loaded with pellets, but not a total blank...

Cycling would be my main concern.

Overkill0084 07-09-2013 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AR10 (Post 1299609)
How About A Rattlesnake Defense Strategy?
For concealed carry, how about keeping a very hot blank round as your one in the pipe ammo?
Pros:
1: Makes Glock Leg (1911, any handgun) much less a threat to life and limb should the unfortunate event of a Negligent Discharge occur.
2: A warning shot, may very well stop the threat. One real round hitting an attacker, will only make the bad guy more angry that he got shot, and continue the attack. A blank (miss) may turn him around, thinking this guy is shooting at me, and I want to get away unhurt.
3: If the attack is too close and eminent for a warning shot, a blank round to the face will stop an attacker just as well as a bullet, and is just as likely to kill them as a real traditional bullet.
4: In court, after the attack, a warning blank, would be a good thing, showing deadly force was not your intent, you only wished to stop the attack.
Cons:

(you fill this part in)

(to let you know I am serous, I just ordered blanks http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/34618 )

"Used by military re-enactors, in ceremonies, for training exercises, in theatrical productions and hunting dog training, blank ammunition provides the report and realism of conventional ammunition without the projectile. "

Cons:
Warning shot = bad idea. You risk any number of legal pitfalls. If you're justified in pulling the trigger at all, you're justified in using real ammo. Otherwise leave it in the holster.
I doubt blank ammo will cycle a normal semi-auto without modifications. But you're right, it will eliminate Glock leg.
Anti gun prosecutor asks "If one blank was a good idea, wouldn't more blanks be an even better idea? Why'd ya have to shoot mommy's little angel with real ammo?"

WebleyFosbery38 07-09-2013 08:42 PM

I wouldnt feel comfortable with a blank, as Orange said, some semi's wont like that blank without an adapter and with an adapter, the second live round would be a bummer for you. Rock salt used to be the warning shot of choice at near range (right in the ass is a great deterrent) but its not great for weapons, works great in an old beater shotgun. Not sure how that would work in a pistol, its not lethal in most cases but it hurts like a Sonomabitch. Explain that to the ER technician, "I got rock salt in my butt,", next call is the PD.


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