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Old 05-21-2014, 02:20 PM   #41
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Chalk up another unsecured gun stolen and a bad guy with another gun.

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The homeowner reported firing two shots at the suspect, who took off running and fled on foot.

Police said it didn’t appear the suspect had been injured, but that he did manage to get away with a handful of the homeowner’s possessions, including a tablet computer, jewelry, cell phone, and a firearm.
http://www.guns.com/2014/05/20/texas-homeowner-shoots-at-shadowy-figure-during-early-morning-break-in-video/
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So the weapon owner is not responsible? living the weapon in the open ,unlock and unsecured is ok,wow.
At 14 I had my own guns that I cared for and was responsible for keeping rugrats away from them. I was even reloading my own shotshells. I was not an exception all my friends had the same responsibility. We all had a wooden gun rack that was equipped with a chain and a padlock. If we screwed up the padlock was changed until we showed we really wanted those guns.
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At 14 I had my own guns that I cared for and was responsible for keeping rugrats away from them. I was even reloading my own shotshells. I was not an exception all my friends had the same responsibility. We all had a wooden gun rack that was equipped with a chain and a padlock. If we screwed up the padlock was changed until we showed we really wanted those guns.
JD. About the only difference for me was that it was dad's old wooden rack with a built in lock. Dad had one key, I had the other. Never got the key taken away, and I was an only child, so there were no small hands to get in trouble.

Part of the problem is a lack of training in today's youth, but in the end, it's your gun, secure it to keep those who have no business using it from doing so. The ultimate responsibility falls on the owner of the firearm, and the parent to do what they must to keep their loved ones safe.

In the story in the OP, the mother is at fault for not insisting that the boyfriend at minimum, unload the pistol and keep the ammo elsewhere. The boyfriend should have had the brains to do so himself or keep the pistol on him. Period. As to what she was doing at the time of the shooting, she was in the bathroom if I recall, when you gotta go, you gotta go. She is not without fault here, but I see a much bigger effup on the part of the boyfriend here.

It's a shame that they learned how quickly things can go to sh!t the way thet did. Not even the worst parents in the world deserve what they are going through.
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So here's an issue.. Why are we all blaming the parent? We often use metephores to support our right to firearms. One could easily use one here. If the child had grabbed a kitchen knife and stabbed or fallen, if he had snuck a lighter and burned the house down? We would blame the parent... If a bad guy steals an item and uses it for a Crime you scream at the top of your lungs... don't Blame me, it was the operators fault.. A kid does something stupid and we blame the parent... Hypocritical much???

If a bad guy broke in took the pistol shot some one would the parent be responsible for a criminals actions?? Or would we yell foul, hey the bad guy did it he knew better.....

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Found this article that has a few more details. Looks like the 4 year old was was a climber.

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White-Gibson said the child climbed shelves in a closet to get the gun, which was stored in the back of a top shelf. The family kept the handgun for protection, she said.
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/merrillville/year-old-boy-shot-killed-in-merrillville/article_511a6e55-ed63-5d20-87b8-5216d80f60f1.html
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So here's an issue.. Why are we all blaming the parent? We often use metephores to support our right to firearms. One could easily use one here. If the child had grabbed a kitchen knife and stabbed or fallen, if he had snuck a lighter and burned the house down? We would blame the parent... If a bad guy steals an item and uses it for a Crime you scream at the top of your lungs... don't Blame me, it was the operators fault.. A kid does something stupid and we blame the parent... Hypocritical much???

If a bad guy broke in took the pistol shot some one would the parent be responsible for a criminals actions?? Or would we yell foul, hey the bad guy did it he knew better.....
There is a phrase in every vehicle's owner's manual that applies here. If you like it, lock it.

I agree that playing a blame game does not help, but the BF in the OP was a dumbazz for leaving a weapon unsecured where the kids could get to it, and the mother should have insisted he locked it up instead, or didn't bring it over with him. I would no sooner leave my truck keys where a 9 YO could get them than a loaded firearm where someone who should not have access to it. Both are deadly in the wrong hands, but only one would lead to jail time for me in most states. And i am not talking about the one that you need to go to DMV to register.

Also, some states will charge the adults in question if a minor is the one who uses the weapon inappropriately, most won't charge the parents if the kid goes for a joy ride in the family truckster. Where as i agree that the second option is much more frightening, the first one is no picnic either.

i like my guns and my truck, but I love my kid and my freedom enough to make damn well sure that anyone, family or otherwise, who should not have access to them can not get to the first two and endanger the latter. That is just being a responsible adult.

So, am I to take from your post that if someone stole your car, truck, rifle, shotgun. ect., and killed 3 people with it, you would feel no remorse? I personally would, even if it was safely stored and under lock and key. I can honestly say that I would feel a hell of a lot worse if I could have done more to prevent it. and chose not to do so.

Trust me, there are some things you can never come back from. There were mistakes in each of the stories on both ends of the equation, but ultimately, the end responsibility falls on the owner\parent to secure their belongings to try to prevent theft\criminal use\ accidents.
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You are playing with fire my friend.



The child's mind does not comprehend a world without "do overs"... Under lock and key, our on your hip, is the only responsible way to store guns in homes with small children.



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