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kdog 01-30-2010 10:23 AM

Glasses when shooting
 
Hi guys,

I have a problem!

I was at the range last week thursday with my newly bought Sig P226.
I had two other gys shoot it. Both police officers with the german police. One of them is a gunsmith and shooting instructor for the police the other a regular ploce officer. Both are goot shooters.
Both hit the target dead center, so the sig is setup perfectly.
No issue there.

Now, when I shoot the Sig, all hit are at 09:00h outside the target.
I am am far sighted and wear correctional glasses (approx. + 1.5 on each eye). Also I have a irregular curvature of the cornea and therefor have a optical cylinder in the glasses.

So, after wasting about 50 or 60 rounds of ammo, the shooting instructor suggested to take off my glasses.
Now when shooting without my glasses on, the rounds hit the target pretty much dead center (a bit to the left at 09:00h on the target, but visible).
The only problem is, that I can`t get the sights focused, only the target.

Has anybody had a similar issue and does anybody have any suggestions on what to do?


PS When I say whithout glasses on, I of course have on my safety glasses! Other than that, the SIG is perfect.

lonyaeger 01-30-2010 12:37 PM

If you can see the front sight clearly with your glasses on while still seeing the target (although not clearly) I would think you'd be okay. The front sight is what you want to focus on anyway.

kdog 01-30-2010 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonyaeger (Post 221350)
If you can see the front sight clearly with your glasses on while still seeing the target (although not clearly) I would think you'd be okay. The front sight is what you want to focus on anyway.

With my glasses on, I can see the sights clearly. But I then don`t hit the target correctly.
When I take off my glasses off, I can`t see the sighty clearly, only the target. But I hit the target much better.

lonyaeger 01-30-2010 01:23 PM

Hmmm...maybe some kind of bifocal? Probably a question better asked to an eye guy.

I will say that I had Lasik about twelve years ago. I had it primarily to correct my near-sightedness for my golf game. But it's kinda worn off, I'm afraid, and I'm back to near-sightedness. For shooting, that's not a problem for me, cause the front sight is clear and the target objective is a little blurry, but I still knock the hell out of the 10-ring of the target :)

Highpower 01-30-2010 09:46 PM

I use a pair of shooting frames that allow you to adjust the lenses so that you are looking through the optical center of the lens. You are most likely not looking through the center of your current lenses, but through the upper inside corner where the lens is thinner and distorts your view.

Have a lens made that gives you the best focus at the distance between your eye and your front sight.

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Jpyle 01-30-2010 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdog (Post 221304)
Hi guys,

I have a problem!

I was at the range last week thursday with my newly bought Sig P226.
I had two other gys shoot it. Both police officers with the german police. One of them is a gunsmith and shooting instructor for the police the other a regular ploce officer. Both are goot shooters.
Both hit the target dead center, so the sig is setup perfectly.
No issue there.

Now, when I shoot the Sig, all hit are at 09:00h outside the target.
I am am far sighted and wear correctional glasses (approx. + 1.5 on each eye). Also I have a irregular curvature of the cornea and therefor have a optical cylinder in the glasses.

So, after wasting about 50 or 60 rounds of ammo, the shooting instructor suggested to take off my glasses.
Now when shooting without my glasses on, the rounds hit the target pretty much dead center (a bit to the left at 09:00h on the target, but visible).
The only problem is, that I can`t get the sights focused, only the target.

Has anybody had a similar issue and does anybody have any suggestions on what to do?


PS When I say whithout glasses on, I of course have on my safety glasses! Other than that, the SIG is perfect.

Are you cross eye dominant? That may cause the 9:00 issue, that or a trigger finger issue.

I have a similar issue with focusing on the front sights. I have found that a pair of those mini bifocals they sell at Walmart under my safety glasses work fine. They let me see the front sight when I need to but allow me to look over the frame to the target.

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jpattersonnh 01-31-2010 01:15 AM

It does sound like you are looking through the top of the lense, not the center. You will get some distortion. Are you shooting w/ just your right eye/ left/ or both? If you are looking down the barrel w/ your head square (both eyes an equal distance) from the rear sight that can through off your focus also. Are your arms strait, or bent slightly? I had to modify my stanse, arm position and head when my eyes got bad. BTW, Good choice on the Sig. My P6 is silly accurate.

kdog 01-31-2010 06:57 PM

Hi guys,

I don`t know what you mean by cross eye dominant.
I aim with my right eye and I am right handed.

It could very well be, that I am noch looking though the center of my glasses when aiming.
Is there any way to figure that out without aiming at somebody (with a unloaded pistol, of course..:D..)?

canebrake 01-31-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdog (Post 222113)
Hi guys,

I don`t know what you mean by cross eye dominant.
I aim with my right eye and I am right handed.

It could very well be, that I am noch looking though the center of my glasses when aiming.
Is there any way to figure that out without aiming at somebody (with a unloaded pistol, of course..:D..)?

Aim at a mirror??

That or take up point shooting!

My guess is that's what you're doing when you remove your RX glasses. Mentally you know you have removed your mechanical sight correction and your body goes to the "natural" point shooting.

Highpower 01-31-2010 09:27 PM

Take up your normal shooting stance and aim at a distant "target". Have a friend with a marker place a small dot on your glasses after you guide them to the point where your sights align. Doing it that way prevents you from changing your natural stance and head position, to correct yourself like you might do (unconsciously) while looking at yourself in a mirror.

You could actually have a bi-focal ground into your normal glasses at that spot too I suppose.


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