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 11-30-2009, 04:10 PM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341 |  Functional accuracy.
We have all heard it. Functional accuracy all but vanishes when we are stressed.
If I have seen it once I have seen it a thousand times. Some guy or girl at the range steady plinking targets, perfect stance, never drawing from their concealed holster. Just burning off ammo, and thinking it is going to help them during their moment of truth.
Hopefully that day never comes for anyone. But if it does we, as responsible gun owners, need to train like that day could come soon.
Yes, plinking targets at the range is better than letting that gun sit in your drawer while you think about practicing, and yes drawing from your holster and going through drills is better than just plinking targets. But it is always a good idea to occasionally stress your body, and shoot tired, heart racing, muscles aching, because we can not accurately recreate the emotions or physical stresses one encounters during a defensive shooting, so we do the next best thing. We wear ourselves out, then shoot our course of fire.
The below picture was taken just doing normal drills. Three rounds from the concealed holster at 15 yards in under four seconds, and four rounds from the concealed holster in under five seconds. I didn't do any failure to stop drills or anything special like that. Just easy basic drills, using the sights. Not point shooting.
Then I went and drank a couple coffees, went out back and did suicides for about ten minutes, Did two sets of pyramid pull ups and did push ups till I couldn't do them any more. Went right back inside and did the same course of fire, with the same pistol, and the same number of rounds.
Still not too shabby. But as we can see, it was no where near as good as doing it fresh, so just imagine what those groups would be like if I was actually stressed because I thought someone was going to kill me.
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| 11-30-2009, 04:49 PM | #2 | When it's Necessary.... Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tornado "Just Blow Me" Alley, Oklahoma U.S.A. Posts: 8,424 |
Great post SG and spot on for truth. 
Just a point of reference of major organ and soft tissue damage suggestions, FFR, for everyone and not criticism.
If you purposely bring your aim up just a tad as you draw, point and shoot, you will not only hit center mass, heart and lung area, but as you continue to fire, you will put rounds in and tear out the upper lobes of his lungs and bronchial tree, take out the BG's aortic arch and puncture/sever his trachea, besides major soft tissue damage to his major blood vessels, vena cava and neck carotid and jugular veins. That does not include a head shot. Hit any of these systems.....he will indeed slow down. 
Again, good shooting and information SG, and Physical Training is indeed important and mighty fine. Hooahh! 
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| 11-30-2009, 05:03 PM | #3 | Ground Zero Ocean Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florence, Oregon Posts: 8,463 |
Well, guess the liver and onions for breakfast will have to go in the trash! Thanks EVEN, needed to loose a little weight anyway!! __________________ Molon Labe!
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| 11-30-2009, 05:07 PM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341 |
Thank you very much, and you are correct. That is one thing I don't like about these cheap targets. They get you to focus on the red instead of where you should be shooting (I am guilty of it). Do it enough and it becomes habit. But the other targets are twice as expensive., they even have some that are supposed to be anatomical, with outlines of the lungs and other major organs. But those are three times as expensive.
I think I might just start collecting cardboard and making my own. __________________
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| 11-30-2009, 05:12 PM | #5 | Call Me Doug Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: It's because I actually HAVE those skills! Posts: 21,258 |
Really good shooting!
Excellent post and some really good points there. Being able to hit a man sized target when under duress is a definite must if you are going to carry a weapon or plan on using that weapon at ANY point in your life.
Practice like you would have to fight, and that includes practicing shooting and reloading with one hand. Because you never know.
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| 11-30-2009, 05:28 PM | #6 | Sic Semper Tyrannis Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , The Mother Lode Posts: 18,437 |
Excellent points and well made. Thanks SG. __________________
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| 11-30-2009, 05:31 PM | #7 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341 |
Thanks guys.
Something one of the guys at the range suggested to my sister and I today is loading each others mags. That way when the gun runs dry it is a surprise, and also occasionally have whoever is not shooting tell you that you had a missfire and attempt to clear it and finish the drill. __________________
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| 11-30-2009, 06:03 PM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 2,496 |
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Originally Posted by Shooter girl
Thanks guys.
Something one of the guys at the range suggested to my sister and I today is loading each others mags. That way when the gun runs dry it is a surprise, and also occasionally have whoever is not shooting tell you that you had a missfire and attempt to clear it and finish the drill.
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Great post SG, here is a little tid bit I use with my officers. When you or your sister load each others mags slip in a dummy round every now and then. When your weapon goes click whey you think it will go bang will start your heart pumping also, rember Tap, Rack and reengage. Again great post. | |
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| 11-30-2009, 06:11 PM | #9 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341 |
That is a good idea. Thanks.
Would simply loading a round with a bullet, spent primer and no powder be advisable?
Also, would loading a round intentionally out of specs, no powder or primer, so it does not chamber properly be a problem for the gun? __________________
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| 11-30-2009, 06:18 PM | #10 | I'm always 10-8 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 150 miles NE of Sloppy Joe's Bar, in the "GunShine" State Posts: 19,200 Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
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Originally Posted by Shooter girl
That is a good idea. Thanks.
Would simply loading a round with a bullet, spent primer and no powder be advisable?
Also, would loading a round intentionally out of specs, no powder or primer, so it does not chamber properly be a problem for the gun?
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Use snap caps, and watch for muzzle movement when it doesn't go bang. Movement = trigger jerk!
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