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Old 10-07-2008, 09:37 PM   #1
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Most 'Gun Security' I see is a knob lock on the back door, which may, or may not, get used when someone leaves the house.

I see firearms stacked in corners, hanging on walls open to the rooms, set in closet corners, but I still rarely see any trigger locks or extra/added security for firearms.
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1. How far do you go to secure your firearms, both at home, and in your vehicles, when you are not in direct possession & control of them?

2. Do you share in the blame/fault if a firearm is stolen in a common home burglary or carried off by someone that was invited to the home?

3. Do you think gun owners should be REQUIRED to own gun safes for both long guns & hand guns?

4. Do you think owning a gun safe is a 'Common Sense' purchase if you own firearms?

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Old 10-07-2008, 11:39 PM   #2
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[QUOTE=AR Hammer;44010]

1. How far do you go to secure your firearms, both at home, and in your vehicles, when you are not in direct possession & control of them?

in a gun safe

2. Who's fault do you think it is if a firearm is stolen in a common home burglary or carried off by someone that was invited to the home?

burglary - the burglars fault invitee - the invitees fault cant blame the owner for having something stolen. Sure there are better decisions that could be made sometimes with regard to safeguarding one's property, but that would be like blaming a victim for being beaten and robbed


3. Do you think gun owners should be REQUIRED to own gun safes for both long guns & hand guns?

nope, not required in the 2A. i grew up with guns in the house, but there was no way we could have afforded a gun safe at the time (the good ole early 70s recession)
4. Do you think owning a gun safe is a 'Common Sense' purchase if you own firearms?

Yes I do, but common sense needs to prevail. Dont agree with trig locks or their mandated use in some states either.

good post Hammer, will be interesting to see what the comrades say.

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OK, I rephrased the second question.
Do you think you share any of the blame if an unsecured firearm is stolen?

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1. How far do you go to secure your firearms, both at home, and in your vehicles, when you are not in direct possession & control of them?
Some are locked up, some are not. The ones I plan to use are in ready access places. I don't leave firearms unattended in vehicles. I don't CC so I'm usually without a gun in the car, or if I am, they remain on my person.

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2. Do you share in the blame/fault if a firearm is stolen in a common home burglary or carried off by someone that was invited to the home?
Criminal activity is always the fault of the criminal, never the victim.

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3. Do you think gun owners should be REQUIRED to own gun safes for both long guns & hand guns?
Nope

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4. Do you think owning a gun safe is a 'Common Sense' purchase if you own firearms?
Yes, but sometimes you can't always afford one. Which do you choose: buy a gun safe, or fix your a/c system in August?

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Be constructive.
I have no skills for constructing a gun safe....
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None of mine Are locked up right now...... ok well I only personally own 2 rifles and a striped lower but as my arsenal grows over the next few months I am looking at making a gun cage so they can all be in there cases while staying safe from them "walking off".... maybe someday I will care to get a safe but not right now....

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I have a "secure" room in my home- they don't make a gun safe large enough to hold all the crap I have been accumulating over the years.

However, at the point of being blunt- to steal a firearm from my house, you are already several hundred meters INSIDE my property to get to the house. I did not leave a gun sitting on the roof of my parked car on a city street.

Do I share blame if you come into my property and steal a gun? Let's change "gun" to anything else, and ask the question again. You forcibly entered my home, rummaged thru the medicine cabinet, found the bottle of percocet left over from my knee surgery, gulped all of them at once, and died from an OD. Am I to blame for your OD because I did not put my pills in a safe?

And a note on safes- they are SOME protection- mainly against quick, quiet, causal theft- and the good ones are some protection against fire. HOWEVER- even the monster safes used by jewelers, that cost about $20,000 each, are only rated for protection against determined attack for a finite period of time. Ever see a portable cut-off saw?

Sorry, bro- but don't make the victim of a crime out to be responsible for the crime. That's like saying "It's your own fault for parking a car like that in this neighborhood- you should have KNOWN that somebody would steal it."

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I have a "secure" room in my home- they don't make a gun safe large enough to hold all the crap I have been accumulating over the years.
I have a 'Gun Room' also, and I went to some length to secure it since there are several Semi-autos and a few Class 3 guns in there.

I feel that it's my responsibility to secure them in a manner that will deter all but the most determined and well equipped thieves.

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However, at the point of being blunt- to steal a firearm from my house, you are already several hundred meters INSIDE my property to get to the house. I did not leave a gun sitting on the roof of my parked car on a city street.
Agreed.
Do you have any idea of how many firearms are stolen out of vehicles every year?
At one gun show alone here thieves got over 300 firearms from vehicles in the parking lot!

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Do I share blame if you come into my property and steal a gun? Let's change "gun" to anything else, and ask the question again.
I see your point, but if we change that to 'Knife' or 'Ball Bat' or 'Bow & Arrow', exactly how many people do you think this guy can injure without being apprehended?

With what most of the guys on this forum CLAIM they own, the police that responded would be hard pressed to match the firepower!

It's not a question if the 'Burglar' or 'Robber' is committing a crime, because he/she certainly IS,

It's a question of,
"Do YOU think the right & privilege of owning firearms adds the extra responsibility of making them secure?"

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You forcibly entered my home, rummaged thru the medicine cabinet, found the bottle of percocet left over from my knee surgery, gulped all of them at once, and died from an OD. Am I to blame for your OD because I did not put my pills in a safe?
Did the person that broke into your house going to use those stolen 'Pills' to shoot up a school yard full of kids?

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And a note on safes- they are SOME protection- mainly against quick, quiet, causal theft- and the good ones are some protection against fire.
HOWEVER- even the monster safes used by jewelers, that cost about $20,000 each, are only rated for protection against determined attack for a finite period of time. Ever see a portable cut-off saw?
There is no way to defeat a determined and well equipped professional thief. If there was, you wouldn't read about jewel exchanges, bank vaults and armored car company robberies.

I'm talking about the punk neighbor kid that knows you have a house full of guns, and he has a wicked Meth habit,
The idea is to make it as difficult as possible for him!

I'm talking about the 'Friend of a Friend' that shows up to an open house party or cookout finding and pocketing a firearm...

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Sorry, bro- but don't make the victim of a crime out to be responsible for the crime. That's like saying "It's your own fault for parking a car like that in this neighborhood- you should have KNOWN that somebody would steal it."
And I think you should take responsibility for your actions.
If you park your car along side of 6 stripped, burned out wrecks, then you should expect yours to be the 7th.

We teach our women & children's self defense classes to be aware of their surroundings, and NOT to put themselves in harms...

If you are a woman walking alone, then stay out of alleys, deserted parking garages, and when you feel the hair stand up on the back of your neck, LISTEN TO IT!

Hard to Rape & Murder a woman in the middle of a well lit street with people still moving around in both directions!

Hard to abduct kids when they stick together, don't get in the car with strangers, and don't stray too far from home!

Same with firearms security.
If you aren't in denial on how easily someone can steal your hardware, then you will do something about securing it.
It's not like they are stealing a TV or Microwave... I can't remember the last time anyone shot 12 people with an I-Pod!
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Anyway, this thread was supposed to lead to a discussion about security, and how much is 'Enough'...

Personally, my full autos and serious semi-autos are rendered inoperative when not in use.
Easy to do when cleaning for storage.

They are secured in locking cabinets, and then the room they are in is locked as well.

Other firearms, including all but muzzle loading pistols, are locked in cabinets or safes.
Most of the wall space is taken up by gun safes or metal cabinets, so I used 3/4" fiberglass reinforced plywood to back them up with and screwed that to the studs.

That fiberglass reinforcement is remarkably effective at defeating saws & drills!
I killed about a dozen carbide tipped saw blades trying to install it!
Finally went to an abrasive blade made for cement and just let it 'burn' through the wood!

Older single shots (Antiques) and muzzle loaders are hanging on the walls, but they are hanging in a locked room.

I have a security door on the room. The flimsy interior door wasn't much in the way of 'Security' so I replace it with solid fill security door with a dead bolt lock.

I have 'Bugler Bars' on the one window in the room.
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Anyway, if you have fewer firearms, then less security would be necessary.
When I lived in an apartment, I installed one of those less expensive sheet metal gun safes in the closet...

It fit in the end of the closet so it was REALLY hard to get a pry bar in there to get at it!

Two security locks, and thick sheet metal was all it was, but it DID defeat one break in burglar!
It looked like it went through WW III when he was done with it, but he made so much noise trying to open it, the neighbors came over to see what the racket was and he got noting!
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OR, how about this one...
My friend comes home to find his 5 year old boy running around the house with a loaded 1911 chasing his 3 year old daughter playing 'Cowboys'.

The boy found it stuck between the mattress and box springs of his bed and decided to 'Play' with it.
If it were a double action, we are sure he could have fired at least one round, maybe more...

His wife now allows NO firearms in the home. PERIOD.
Not even locked up or stored in the garage under lock and key.
Guns go or the wife/kids do... That's not much of a choice!
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Most 'Gun Security' I see is a knob lock on the back door, which may, or may not, get used when someone leaves the house.

I see firearms stacked in corners, hanging on walls open to the rooms, set in closet corners, but I still rarely see any trigger locks or extra/added security for firearms.
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1. How far do you go to secure your firearms, both at home, and in your vehicles, when you are not in direct possession & control of them?

I have a Fort Knox gun safe which I keep all my firearms in at home. My concealed carry has a lock I keep in the car when I have to leave it... well it used to until i moved to California and cant carry a weapon. Blast! Now its in the safe, too, unless Im at home. Then its hidden near the bed.

2. Do you share in the blame/fault if a firearm is stolen in a common home burglary or carried off by someone that was invited to the home?

No one will ever steal my weapons. I check the safe's lock constantly. OCD! Its my fault and mine alone if a firearm comes up missing. And if a burglar can carry the safe off and actually get into it.... holy heck hes motivated. and the payoff for him is going to be small.

3. Do you think gun owners should be REQUIRED to own gun safes for both long guns & hand guns?

No, but its a stupid idea not to own a permanent safe for a firearm in my opinion. First off, if you're weapons arent in your immediate grasp inside the home, an intruder has a chance of using them against you. Second, larger safes are typically fireproof. If your home catches on fire, your guns come out fine and none of the rounds have a chance of going off and causing addition damage. Small carry-able safes are ridiculous however, considering a thief could just walk off with it.

4. Do you think owning a gun safe is a 'Common Sense' purchase if you own firearms?

Yes. It protects your firearms, and we all know those dang things are expensive!
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None of my guns are locked up. However 2 are in a wooden gun cabinet with the door closed (glass door), 3 are hanging on the wall in a horizontal gun rack. I also have my .45 in my truck door pocket and a 12g pump behind the seat. The reason behind the unlocked guns, my wife and I both know how to use them and we have no kids. I like to be able to get to them when I need them.

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My current firearm (I only have 1 pistol right now......restarting my firearms collection) is secured in such a way that it is safe from my children, but I can still access it within a reasonable amount of time.

I do think that it is good common sense to secure your weapons when you can. Better to be safe and secure, then having the horrible knowledge that a stranger has taken your firearms, and may be planning a killing spree with them.

Everyone has their own right to store their firearms as they see fit, but there are possible consequences to all actions.

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